Tricky indefinite integral problem

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The problem involves evaluating the indefinite integral ∫-1/(4x-x^2) dx. Participants reference a solution from a textbook and discuss various integration techniques, including partial fractions and trigonometric substitution.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore rewriting the integrand and consider using partial fractions for integration. Some express confusion about reaching the textbook answer and question their methods, particularly regarding the use of negative signs and substitutions. Others inquire about alternative methods that do not involve partial fractions.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of different integration techniques, with some participants suggesting partial fractions while others seek methods that align with their current learning restrictions. No consensus has been reached, but various approaches are being discussed.

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Some participants mention constraints on using certain techniques, such as partial fractions, indicating a need to adhere to specific homework guidelines.

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Homework Statement


Ok the problem is:
∫-1/(4x-x^2) dx

The answer in the back of the book is:
(1/4)ln(abs((x-4)/x))) + C

Homework Equations


I think this would be used somehow:
∫ du/(a^2-u^2) = 1/2a ln(abs((a+u)/(a-u))) + C


The Attempt at a Solution


∫-1/(4x-x^2) dx

∫-1/(-x^2+4x) dx

∫-1/-(x^2-4x) dx

∫1/(x^2-4x) dx

∫1/(x^2-4x+4-4) dx

∫1/((x-2)^2-4) dx

∫1/((x-2)^2-2^2) dx

At this point I'm stumped. No matter what I try I can seem to get it to look like the book answer.

If I move the bottom part around and use u-substitution I get:

∫1/(u^2-2^2) du let u=x-2 and du = dx

∫1/(-2^2+u^2) du

∫1/-(2^2-u^2) du

∫-1/(2^2-u^2) du

-∫1/(2^2-u^2) du

I will get a negative number which isn't what I want. What am I doing wrong? I would greatly appreciate any help. Thanks :)
 
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Use partial fractions:
<br /> \frac{-1}{4x-x^2} = \frac{1}{x(x-4)}<br />
Now find A and B where
<br /> \frac{1}{x(4-x)} \equiv \frac Ax + \frac B{x-4}<br />

You should now be able to integrate each term separately.

(You can write
<br /> \frac{1}{x^2 - 4x} = \frac{1}{(x - 2)^2 - 2^2}<br />
and substitute u = x - 2, but the partial fraction approach is the usual method.)
 
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zak1989 said:

Homework Statement


Ok the problem is:
∫-1/(4x-x^2) dx

The answer in the back of the book is:
(1/4)ln(abs((x-4)/x))) + C

Homework Equations


I think this would be used somehow:
∫ du/(a^2-u^2) = 1/2a ln(abs((a+u)/(a-u))) + C


The Attempt at a Solution


∫-1/(4x-x^2) dx

∫-1/(-x^2+4x) dx

∫-1/-(x^2-4x) dx

∫1/(x^2-4x) dx

∫1/(x^2-4x+4-4) dx

∫1/((x-2)^2-4) dx

∫1/((x-2)^2-2^2) dx

At this point I'm stumped. No matter what I try I can seem to get it to look like the book answer.

If I move the bottom part around and use u-substitution I get:

∫1/(u^2-2^2) du let u=x-2 and du = dx
Use partial fractions to decompose the integrand into A/(u - 2) + B/(u + 2).

IOW, solve this equation for A and B:
$$\frac{1}{(u - 2)(u + 2)} = \frac{A}{u - 2} +\frac{B}{u + 2} $$

The equation above actually must be identically true (true for any values of u other than 2 and -2.
zak1989 said:
∫1/(-2^2+u^2) du

∫1/-(2^2-u^2) du

∫-1/(2^2-u^2) du

-∫1/(2^2-u^2) du

I will get a negative number which isn't what I want. What am I doing wrong? I would greatly appreciate any help. Thanks :)
 
Thanks for the help guys, but how would I go about doing it without partial fractions? I'm not supposed to use that technique yet. Sorry I forgot to mention that in my post.
 
A trig substitution should work. Have you learned that technique yet?
 
zak1989 said:

Homework Statement


Ok the problem is:
∫-1/(4x-x^2) dx

The answer in the back of the book is:
(1/4)ln(abs((x-4)/x))) + C

Homework Equations


I think this would be used somehow:
∫ du/(a^2-u^2) = 1/2a ln(abs((a+u)/(a-u))) + C

I assume you got that from a table you are allowed to use?

zak1989 said:
Thanks for the help guys, but how would I go about doing it without partial fractions?

Try pasmith's suggestion ##u=x-2## and ##a=2## in your table formula above.
 

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