Tricky Limit as x approaches zero

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The problem involves finding the limit of the expression (sin(4x))/(tan(3x)) as x approaches zero, which falls under the topic of limits in calculus.

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  • Participants discuss various methods to approach the limit, including the application of known limit laws and the potential use of Maclaurin series. There is also a focus on clarifying the correct expressions to expand and the implications of using Taylor series.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing different perspectives on how to tackle the limit. Some have offered guidance on using limit laws, while others suggest exploring series expansions. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

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Some participants mention differences in educational approaches, such as the order in which topics are taught in different regions. There is also a reference to small angle approximations, which may influence the understanding of the limit.

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Homework Statement



find the limit as x approaches zero of: (sin(4x))/(tan(3x))

Homework Equations



a law that states : limit as x approaches zero of (sin(theta))/theta = 1



The Attempt at a Solution



I first divide the equation into:

(sin(4x))/1 * (cos(3x))/(sin(3x))

And then use the law mentioned above to multiply and dive by 4x:

(sin(4x))/(4x) * 4x(cos(3x))/(sin(3x))

Then, I divide the equation into:

4x*(cos(3x))/1 * 1/(sin(3x))

Then, I use the law again on cos(3x) this time:

4x* (cos(3x))/3x * 3x/(sin(3x))

And end up with:

4x * 3x/(sin(3x))

That's where I get stuck!

Am I using the right method? If so, where do i go next?

Thank you!
 
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Try expanding numerator and denominator as Maclaurin series.
 
Okay, but first, which numerator and denominator? The original equation, or my final one?

Also, what is a Maclaurin series? I've never heard of it before...
 
cal.queen92 said:
Also, what is a Maclaurin series? I've never heard of it before...

Specific case of Taylor series with expansion around zero.

For example,

sin(x)=x-x^3/6+x^5/120 ...

and

tan(x)=x+x^3/3+2x^5/15 + ...

http://orion.math.iastate.edu/vika/cal3_files/Lec27.pdf
 
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If you're not going to use LaTeX, you should at least make it clear which terms are in the numerator or denominator, especially since you seemed to have made an error in leap to the last line.

You're somewhat fine up to:

[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow 0}\frac{4x \cos 3x }{3x}\cdot\frac{3x}{\sin 3x}[/tex]

(note you should actually put limits in front of these expressions, since you've already applied the law once to get to this point)

Apply the law again, and you should get the answer. If you've never heard of Taylor series before, chances are you're not supposed to use it. This limit law is from precalc, and Taylor series is something some people encounter in their second calc course.
 
Ah, OK then. I'm from the UK and we do things in a slight different order!

Do you know the small angle approximations?

[tex]\sin\theta \approx \tan\theta \approx \theta[/tex] for small [tex]\theta[/tex] in radians.
 
Question: sin(4x)/tan(3x) (lim approaching 0)
1- sin(4x)/((sin(3x)/(cos(3x)) (because tan=sinx/cosx
2- (sin(4x)(cos(3x))/sin(3x) (fraction on a fraction = flip up and multiply)
3-Next you're going to add in 3/3 and 4/4, this is allowed because they are both equivalent to 1. Because you know that sin(anything)/anything = 1 and anything/sin(anything) you can separate everything like so:
(sin(4x)/4x) x (3/sin(3x)) x (cos(3x)/1) x (4/3)
Once you put in the 0 you will get
1 x 1 x 1 (cos0=1) x 4/3
= 4/3
I hope this helps/I didn't make any mistakes.
 

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