Triple integral in spherical coordinates

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The discussion revolves around calculating a triple integral using spherical coordinates for the function f(x,y,z) = sqrt(x^2+y^2+z^2) over a specified region defined by the inequality x^2+y^2+z^2<=2z. The region is identified as a sphere of radius 1 centered at (0,0,1).

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the bounds for the variable rho in spherical coordinates and whether it should be defined in relation to the function of the region. There is confusion regarding the transformation of coordinates and the implications of shifting the center of the sphere.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the definitions and transformations involved in the problem. Some have suggested shifting the spherical coordinates to simplify the bounds, while others are seeking clarification on the implications of this shift and how it affects the calculation of rho.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between spherical coordinates and Cartesian coordinates, particularly in terms of defining the bounds for rho. The discussion highlights the complexity introduced by shifting the center of the sphere and the resulting implications for the integral setup.

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Homework Statement


use spherical coordinates to calculate the triple integral of f(x,y,z) over the given region.

f(x,y,z)= sqrt(x^2+y^2+z^2); x^2+y^2+z^2<=2z

The Attempt at a Solution


Once I find the bounds, I can do the integral. But I'm having trouble with the bounds of rho.

This region is a sphere of radius 1 centered at (0,0,1). If this is true, then theta and phi both range from 0 to 2pi.

Does rho range from 0 to 2, or do I need to use the function of the region in there somewhere?

Thank you.
 
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You can change variables in f so that you move the center of the sphere to the origin. Equivalently, you can use spherical coordinates centered at (0,0,1). The definition of x and y are the same, but

[tex]z = 1 + \rho \cos\theta.[/tex]

The ranges of [tex](\rho,\theta,\phi)[/tex] don't change, but [tex]\rho^2 = x^2 + y^2 + (z-1)^2[/tex]
 
Where did the (z-1)^2 come from? And having rho^2 in terms of x,y, and z doesn't really help me. x=rho sin(theta)cos(phi), y=rho sin(theta)sin(phi), and z=rho cos(phi).

I don't really understand your response. Sorry. Could you clarify?
Thank you.
 
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musicmar said:
Where did the (z-1)^2 come from? And having rho^2 in terms of x,y, and z doesn't really help me. x=rho sin(theta)cos(phi), y=rho sin(theta)sin(phi), and z=rho cos(phi).

I don't really understand your response. Sorry. Could you clarify?
Thank you.

In your coordinates, [tex]\rho = 0[/tex] is the point (0,0,0) in Cartesian space. If you use a spherical coordinate system where we shift

[tex]z= 1 + \rho \cos(\phi),[/tex]

then [tex]\rho = 0[/tex] is the point (0,0,1), which is the center of your sphere. This is convenient because we don't have weird ranges for our integral, but the expression of f(x,y,x) is a bit more complicated.
 
If you didn't shift it, how would you find the bounds of rho?
 
musicmar said:
If you didn't shift it, how would you find the bounds of rho?

In the regular coordinates where you have

[tex]\rho = \sqrt{x^2+y^2+z^2} ,[/tex]

you see that, because [tex]-\infty<x,y,x<\infty[/tex], we have [tex]0<\rho < \infty.[/tex] In the shifted coordinates, we find the same range of values for [tex]\rho[/tex].
 
[itex]\rho[/itex] is the distance from the origin to points on that sphere. Since the sphere has center at (0, 0, 1), it contains both (0, 0, 0) (at distance 1 directly below (0, 0, 1) on the z-axis) and (0, 0, 2) (at distance 1 directly above (0, 0, 1). The first point has distance 0 from (0, 0, 0) and is the smallest value of [itex]\rho[/itex] while the second has distance 2 from (0, 0, 0) and is the largest value of [itex]\rho[/itex].
 

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