Triple Integral To Find Volume Between Cylinder And Sphere

  • Thread starter Thread starter flyusx
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Integral Volume
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion focuses on calculating the volume between a cylinder defined by \(x^2 + y^2 = 9\) and a sphere defined by \(x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 36\) using triple integrals in rectangular, spherical, and cylindrical coordinates. The correct cylindrical integral is established as \(\int_{0}^{2\pi}\int_{3}^{6}\int_{-\sqrt{36-\rho^2}}^{\sqrt{36-\rho^2}}\rho\text{d}z\text{d}\rho\text{d}\phi\). The outer \(\rho\) bound is confirmed to be 6, representing the maximum distance from the z-axis to the sphere's boundary. The discussion clarifies the relationship between the coordinates and emphasizes the importance of symmetry in simplifying the integration process.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of triple integrals in calculus
  • Familiarity with spherical coordinates \((r, \theta, \phi)\)
  • Knowledge of cylindrical coordinates \((\rho, \phi, z)\)
  • Ability to convert between coordinate systems in multivariable calculus
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the derivation of triple integrals in spherical coordinates
  • Learn how to convert between rectangular and cylindrical coordinates
  • Explore the concept of symmetry in multivariable integrals
  • Practice solving volume problems involving multiple coordinate systems
USEFUL FOR

Students and professionals in mathematics, physics, and engineering who are working on problems involving multivariable calculus, particularly those focusing on volume calculations using different coordinate systems.

flyusx
Messages
64
Reaction score
10
Homework Statement
Express in rectangular, spherical and cylindrical coordinates a triple integral returning the volume of a sphere $$x^2+y^2+z^2=36$$ that is outside a cylinder $$x^2+y^2=9$$.
Relevant Equations
I use the physics convention here with spherical $$(r,\theta,\phi)$$ and cylindrical $$(\rho,\phi,z)$$. In cylindrical coordinates, $$\rho^2=x^2+y^2$$.
I got the two relations for spherical and rectangular coordinates. In rectangular:
$$\int_{-6}^{6}\int_{-\sqrt{36-x^{2}}}^{\sqrt{36-x^{2}}}\int_{-\sqrt{36-x^{2}-y^{2}}}^{\sqrt{36-x^2-y^2}}\text{d}z\text{d}y\text{d}x-\int_{-3}^{3}\int_{-\sqrt{9-x^{2}}}^{\sqrt{9-x^{2}}}\int_{-\sqrt{36-x^{2}-y^{2}}}^{\sqrt{36-x^2-y^2}}\text{d}z\text{d}y\text{d}x$$
In spherical:
$$\int_{0}^{2\pi}\int_{\frac{\pi}{6}}^{\frac{5\pi}{6}}\int_{3\csc(\theta)}^{6}r^{2}\sin(\theta)\text{d}r\text{d}\theta\text{d}\phi$$
I'm having trouble with cylindrical. The φ bounds are $$0\leq\phi\leq2\pi$$. The z bounds are already given in the rectangular system and can be converted to ρ by the relation given in relevant equations. The inner ρ bound is 3 because the cylinder is a distance 3 away from the z-axis. We have:
$$\int_{0}^{2\pi}\int_{3}^{?}\int_{-\sqrt{36-\rho^2}}^{\sqrt{36-\rho^2}}\rho\text{d}z\text{d}\rho\text{d}\phi$$
The proper solution is for the outer ρ bound to be six (the integrals resolve to the same number). I see this as coming from the maximum possible distance between the z-axis and the bound of the sphere (specifically when z=0)$. What I don't get is that since the outer boundary is the sphere, shouldn't the outer bound be written as $$\rho^{2}+z^{2}=36$$
And then solve for ρ? This must be wrong because this wouldn't allow the integral to be resolved to a number, but I can' see where I went wrong conceptually.

Thanks in advance!
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Preetammeher
Physics news on Phys.org
I don't think you're using cylindrical coordinates correctly. They are the 3-dimensional counterpart of polar coordinates, with the coordinates being ##z, r,## and ##\theta##. The latter is the angle formed by rays in the x-y plane, while ##\phi## is the angle relative to the z-axis.

Also, it might be simpler to exploit the symmetry of your problem. Everything is symmetric about the z-axis, so you could integrate from 0 to ##\frac \pi 2## and multiply that result by 4.
 
flyusx said:
Homework Statement: Express in rectangular, spherical and cylindrical coordinates a triple integral returning the volume of a sphere $$x^2+y^2+z^2=36$$ that is outside a cylinder $$x^2+y^2=9$$.
Relevant Equations: I use the physics convention here with spherical $$(r,\theta,\phi)$$ and cylindrical $$(\rho,\phi,z)$$. In cylindrical coordinates, $$\rho^2=x^2+y^2$$.

What I don't get is that since the outer boundary is the sphere, shouldn't the outer bound be written as ρ2+z2=36
And then solve for ρ? This must be wrong because this wouldn't allow the integral to be resolved to a number, but I can' see where I went wrong conceptually.
You are already using that relationship for z. Now you need to find the maximal value of ##\rho## regardless of the value of z. I must say I am surprised that it causes you issues as it is completely analogous to what you did in the case of Cartesian coordinates when you found the bounds for x.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
2K
  • · Replies 34 ·
2
Replies
34
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
2K