Twinkle, twinkle, little star

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of star twinkling, particularly in the context of astrophotography and atmospheric turbulence. Participants explore the reasons behind twinkling, the differences between stars and planets, and seek references related to imaging techniques affected by atmospheric conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their experience photographing the asteroid YU55 and notes instances of discrepancies in their images, suggesting a need for further understanding of atmospheric turbulence and its effects on imaging.
  • Another participant questions why stars twinkle while planets and artificial satellites do not, prompting a discussion about point sources and motion.
  • A response suggests that planets are not point sources and that the speed of satellites may contribute to their lack of twinkling.
  • A participant shares a link to an alternative source discussing star twinkling and photography, although its credibility is questioned by another participant.
  • One participant recommends a NASA site as a better resource and mentions finding relevant information in a specific chapter of a paper related to coherence time.

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Participants express differing views on the credibility of sources and the understanding of twinkling, indicating that multiple perspectives exist without a clear consensus on the best references or explanations.

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Some participants highlight limitations in existing discussions about the correlation time related to atmospheric turbulence, indicating a gap in the literature that remains unresolved.

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Not sure if this is the best subforum, but here goes:

I tried to photograph YU55 when it flew by, and have been combing through a pair of photos, looking for a dot in one and a blank spot in the other. So far there have been at least 5 instances where something appeared in one photo only, but checking the locations with google sky and SIMBAD, each location indeed has a faint (magnitude 10+) star present.

Each photo was taken with a 1.3 second exposure time, which I had thought was sufficiently long to average out any atmospheric turbulence (the twinkle). My reference text, Roggemann and Welsh "Imaging through turbulence", has a long chapter devoted to atmospheric turbulence in this specific context, and while they have a detailed discussion about the spatial extent- the correlation length as compared to the entrance pupil- there does not appear to be a similar discussion about timescales: short-time imaging gives speckle, long-time imaging gives uniform blur, but I can't find a derivation about the correlation time (which divides the two regimes).

I'd appreciate any pointers, references, etc. on this, thanks.
 
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If atmospheric turbulance is why stars twinkle, why don't planets twinkle? Why don't artificial Earth satellites twinkle?
 
They aren't point sources. Plus, satellites move pretty fast (I've not looked for a geosynchronous satellite).
 
Here is an interesting re-examination of star twinkle. It discusses some photography aspects as well. He is not an official authoritative source, but his insights may give you some means to work on the photo problem... http://milesmathis.com/twink.html"
 
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