Two more simple cyclic group problems

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1) let <a> be a cyclic group of order n. If n and m are relatively prime, then the function f(x) = x^m is an automorphism of <a>.

2) Let G be a group and a, b be in G. Let a be in <b>. Then <a> = <b> iff a and b have the same order.

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1) It is trivial to check that for any x, y in <a>, f(xy) = f(x)f(y). For injectivity, let x^m = y^m. We have x = a^k and y = a^j, for some integers k and j. Now a^(km) = a^(jm) implies that km = jm, which implies k = j, and hence x = y. (Since, all the powers of a are distinct, so if km and jm were distinct, then a^(km) = a^(jm) couldn't possibly hold).

I have a bit of a problem with surjectivity. When I look at examples of cyclic groups, the whole problem is very obvious intuitively - for any element, we can find adjust another one which will give the first one after multiplying m times - but, formally... Let y be in <a>, so y = a^k, for some integer k. We need to show that there exists some element a^j in <a> such that a^(jm) = a^k. I guess here the fact that m and n are relatively prime comes in... But I can't find the solution.

2) Since a is in <b>, a = b^k, for some k. Let <a> = <b>. Then, by definiton, the orders of these groups are equal, and by definition again, the orders of a and b must be equal. For the converse, let ord(a) = ord(b) = p. Is x is in <a> it is clearly in <b>, since a = b^k. Let x be in <b>. so x = b^j, for some j. Now, since the orders of b and a = b^k are equal, this means that there are p distinct powers of b and of b^k. But a power of b^k is a power of b, too, and hence <a> must equal <b>.
 

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1) It is trivial to check that for any x, y in <a>, f(xy) = f(x)f(y). For injectivity, let x^m = y^m. We have x = a^k and y = a^j, for some integers k and j. Now a^(km) = a^(jm) implies that km = jm, which implies k = j, and hence x = y. (Since, all the powers of a are distinct, so if km and jm were distinct, then a^(km) = a^(jm) couldn't possibly hold).

Can you explain why a^(km)=a^(jm) implies that km=jm. If I remember well, this does not hold in general... You will have to use theorem 10.5 on this...

I have a bit of a problem with surjectivity. When I look at examples of cyclic groups, the whole problem is very obvious intuitively - for any element, we can find adjust another one which will give the first one after multiplying m times - but, formally... Let y be in <a>, so y = a^k, for some integer k. We need to show that there exists some element a^j in <a> such that a^(jm) = a^k. I guess here the fact that m and n are relatively prime comes in... But I can't find the solution.

So we must find j such that jm=k (mod n). Now use the fact that m has an inverse in [tex]\mathbb{Z}_n[/tex] to find an explicit form of j.

2) Since a is in <b>, a = b^k, for some k. Let <a> = <b>. Then, by definiton, the orders of these groups are equal, and by definition again, the orders of a and b must be equal. For the converse, let ord(a) = ord(b) = p. Is x is in <a> it is clearly in <b>, since a = b^k. Let x be in <b>. so x = b^j, for some j. Now, since the orders of b and a = b^k are equal, this means that there are p distinct powers of b and of b^k. But a power of b^k is a power of b, too, and hence <a> must equal <b>.

Looks OK.
 
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Can you explain why a^(km)=a^(jm) implies that km=jm. If I remember well, this does not hold in general... You will have to use theorem 10.5 on this...

Hmm, I followed this logic.

a^(km) and a^(jm) are powers of a. They are equal. If km would be different from jm, then a^(km) and a^(jm) would necessarily be different, not? It seemed I could conclude that km = jm from this...
 
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No, this is not correct. For example, if you are working in a cyclic group of order 6 and generator a, then

[tex]a=a^7=a^{13}=...[/tex]

So it doesn't necessarily follow that the exponents are equal. What you do have is the following in a group of order n:

[tex]a^k=a^p~\Rightarrow~a^{k-p}=1~\Rightarrow~n~\text{divides}~k-p[/tex].
 
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Yes, that was a stupid line of reasoning from my side...It would hold it we'd be talking about an infinite cyclic group, though, right?

OK, I'll think about this...
 
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Yes, that was a stupid line of reasoning from my side...It would hold it we'd be talking about an infinite cyclic group, though, right?

OK, I'll think about this...

Yes, in an infinite group, you are correct!
 
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OK, it follows that if a^(km) = a^(jm), we have a^(km - jm) = e, and by theorem 10.5. m(k - j) = nq, for some integer q, where n is the order of a. The hint says to use Ex. B3., i.e. if b is in <a>, then ord(a) = ord(b)p (i.e. the order of b is a factor of the order of a. Hence, we can conclude that n = kmp1 =jmp2, for some integers p1 and p2.

Now I have to use the fact that n and m are relatively prime, and here my knowledge gaps in number theory become obvious.

From the equations above I can deduce that kp1 = jp2, but that doesn't really help.
 
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I'm a bit confused. Can you explain how you used exercise B3. What did you take for b?
 
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For b I took the elements a^(km) and a ^(jm), although the effect is the same as if I took a^k and a^j.
 
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For b I took the elements a^(km) and a ^(jm), although the effect is the same as if I took a^k and a^j.

Yes, but then I'm confused on what comes next. The order of a^(km) is not km. It's more like n/gcd(km,n) if I'm correct.
Also, it doesn't generally hold that n=kmp1. It does hold that there exist something such that qn=kmp1. So a multiple of n equals kmp1... (in other words kmp1=0 (mod n)).

This exercise actually becomes easier if you use Bezout's theorem. It states that if n and m are coprime, then there exist l and k such that nl+km=1. Perhaps you should attempt to show this...
 
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Ahhh, of course, I know that the order of a^(km) is not km, I was being harsh again! OK, I'll stop writing nonsense and get back when I have something better...
 
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If you want to you Bezout's theorem, then here's an outline to prove it:

1) Consider the group [tex]n\mathbb{Z}+m\mathbb{Z}[/tex]. Prove that it is a subgroup from [tex]\mathbb{Z}[/tex]
2) Conclude from 1 that [tex]n\mathbb{Z}+m\mathbb{Z}[/tex] is cyclic, and thus from the form [tex]d\mathbb{Z}[/tex].
3) Use coprimality of n and m to show that d=1.

The general statement of Bezout's theorem is valid even if n and m are not coprime. It states [tex]n\mathbb{Z}+m\mathbb{Z}=gcd(n,m)\mathbb{Z}[/tex]. But you won't need that...
 
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Thanks for the hint, but I think I'll try to prove it witout this theorem...Btw, I'm not sure what nZ + mZ stands for, perhaps a sum of quotient groups, but I didn't reach that part yet, it may be too much for now.
 
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Well, you can try to prove it without Bezout's theorem, but the problem is that what you're trying to show is equivalent to Bezout's theorem. So you'll end up proving it anyways :biggrin: But I'm not going to stop you :tongue2:

btw, [tex]n\mathbb{Z}+m\mathbb{Z}=\{nz+mz^\prime~\vert~z,z^\prime\in \mathbb{Z}\}[/tex]. It's the set of all "linear" combinations of n and m, if you want to use linear algebra terminology...
 
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Well, if that's the case, then it's different. OK. :cool:
 
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OK, parts 1 and 2 are trivial - for any two elements in nZ + mZ, their sum is in nZ + mZ too, and every element of nZ + mZ has in inverse in nZ + mZ, it's really obvious, and, since Z is cyclic, and nZ + mZ is proven to be a subgroup of Z, nZ + mZ must itself be cyclic. Hence, it has a generator d. I'll have to think a bit for the third part (no hints please).
 
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But just a sec, isnt dZ simply Z if d = 1? Or I misunderstood the notation... i.e. in the case where n and m are coprime, this subgroup equals Z? Is that what we need to prove?
 
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OK, parts 1 and 2 are trivial - for any two elements in nZ + mZ, their sum is in nZ + mZ too, and every element of nZ + mZ has in inverse in nZ + mZ, it's really obvious, and, since Z is cyclic, and nZ + mZ is proven to be a subgroup of Z, nZ + mZ must itself be cyclic. Hence, it has a generator d. I'll have to think a bit for the third part (no hints please).

That's already correct!
 
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But just a sec, isnt dZ simply Z if d = 1? Or I misunderstood the notation... i.e. in the case where n and m are coprime, this subgroup equals Z? Is that what we need to prove?

Yes, that is exactly what you need to show, that nZ+mZ=Z!
 
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I'm trying to motivate myself to find a pattern, I wrote down the set nZ + mZ for n = 3 and m = 8... It's obvious that for any integer x, one can find k, l such that x = mk + nl. Now I only need to formalize this.

Edit: no hints! :biggrin:

Edit 2: if I prove this, the theorem follows easily...
 
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Say if you want a hint :biggrin: And don't look too far...
 
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Ahhh, a small hint, please! :tongue2: :rolleyes:
 
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Is a in dZ? And what does this imply?
 
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Is a in dZ? And what does this imply?

a in dZ? Isn't <a> an arbitrary cyclic group? dZ is an additive group, right? i.e. dZ = {dz : z is in Z}, for some fixed integer d.

If a is in dZ then a = dz, for some integer z.
 
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Oh, I'm sorry. I meant: are n and m in dZ? I mixed up with the a...
 
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Well, certainly they are. And we concluded that nZ + mZ must be a cyclic group with some generator d. Hence n = dp and m = dq, for some integers p and q.
 
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So d divides both n and m...
 
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So d divides both n and m...

Ah, of course! Since m and n are relatively prime, it follows that d = 1! :biggrin:

So, we proved the theorem. I.e.:

Let m and n be relatively prime. Then, for any given integer x, there exist integers k, l such that mk + nl = x.

Specially, for x = 1 this must hold.

OK, now I'll see how that helps me to solve the problem...
 
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OK, we want to prove injectivity of the map f : <a> --> <a> given with f(x) = x^m, where m is relatively prime to ord(a) = n.

Let x^m = y^m, i.e. a^(km) = a^(jm), for some integers k, j. It follows that a^(km - jm) = e. From Theorem 10.5. I conclude that km - jm = np, for some integer p. Somehow, using the theorem just proven, I need to show that k = j, i.e. x = y, right?
 
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OK, we want to prove injectivity of the map f : <a> --> <a> given with f(x) = x^m, where m is relatively prime to ord(a) = n.

Let x^m = y^m, i.e. a^(km) = a^(jm), for some integers k, j. It follows that a^(km - jm) = e. From Theorem 10.5. I conclude that km - jm = np, for some integer p. Somehow, using the theorem just proven, I need to show that k = j, i.e. x = y, right?

Well, you don't need to show that k=j, that won't be true in general. You need to show that k-j=qn for some q. The reason is that a^k might equal a^j, even if k and j are not equal. (Of course, if you assume k and j to be less then n, then a^k=a^j is equivalent with j=k...)

Here's a small hint (don't read if you don't want a hint:biggrin:)

The easiest way to show this is by calculating modulo n.
You need to show that k-j=qn. This means that you need to show that k=j (mod n).
You have that km-jm=np, this means that km=jm (mod n). So the only thing you need to do is find an inverse of m in modulo n.
 
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Hm, km = jm (mod n) means that n divides km - jm = m(k - j). Now, I'm not sure about this, I tried it out on some numeric examples and it seems to work, and since you're here to ask, does it follow that n divides k - j, since m and n are relatively prime (i.e. m cannot divide n)?

P.S. If this was a stupid question, forgive me, I'm still warming up on this topic.
 
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Yes, you are correct: if n divides m(k-j), then it must imply that n divides k-j (if n and m are coprime). But you have to prove it rigourously...
 
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Yes, I know, I'll try to prove it. Once I do so, the rest is trivial, since then a^k = a^(qn+j) = a^(qn)a^j = a^j.
 
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What does Bezout's theorem give you in modulo n?
 
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Hm, no hints yet, but can this be proven so that I assume the contrary, i.e. that n doesn't divide k - j either? I'm messing with some inequalities and trying to apply Bezout's theorem, but I'm still getting nowhere. If the proof involvec modulo n congruence classes, I'm still not into that yet, so there may be something I don't see right away...
 

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