Two successive rotation (Goldstein problem 4.13)

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The problem involves two successive coordinate rotations through angles ##\Phi_1## and ##\Phi_2##, which are to be related to a single rotation through angle ##\Phi##. The task is to demonstrate that these angles can be viewed as the sides of a spherical triangle, with the angle opposite to ##\Phi## corresponding to the angle between the two axes of rotation.

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  • The original poster attempts to establish a relationship using rotation matrices and traces, questioning the validity of their approach.
  • Some participants suggest constructing a diagram of the spherical triangle to visualize the relationships, while others express a desire for a more rigorous derivation.
  • There is mention of the angle between the rotation axes and its relation to the spherical triangle, prompting further exploration of geometric interpretations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights about visualizing the problem through diagrams. There is a recognition of the need for a rigorous derivation, but no consensus has been reached on the method to achieve this.

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Participants are navigating the balance between geometric intuition and formal derivation, indicating a potential gap in understanding the rigorous requirements of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Suppose two successive coordinate rotations through angles ##\Phi_1## and ##\Phi_2## are carried out, equivalent to a single rotation through an angle ##\Phi##. Show that ##\Phi_1##, ##\Phi_2## and ##\Phi## can be considered as the sides of a spherical triangle with the angle opposite to ##\Phi## given by the angle between the two axes of rotation.

(Source: Classical Mechanics, 3rd edition, Goldstein, Problem 13, Chapter 4)

Homework Equations


If ##A## is a rotation matrix,
$$Tr~A=1+ 2\cos{\theta}$$
,where ##\theta## is the rotation angle.

The Attempt at a Solution


Let ##R_1## and ##A_1## be the rotation axis (unit vector) and the rotation matrix respectively for the ##\Phi_1## rotation. So we get,
$$A_1R_1=R_1$$
and $$Tr~ A_1 = 1+2 \cos{\Phi_1}$$
In the same way, for ##\Phi_2##,
$$A_2R_2=R_2$$
and $$Tr~ A_2 = 1+2 \cos{\Phi_2}$$
The rotation matrix corresponding to ##\Phi## rotation will be ##A_2A_1##. So we get
$$Tr ~A_2A_1 = 1+2 \cos{\Phi}$$
If the angle between ##R_1## and ##R_2## is ##\psi##, then
$$\cos{\psi}=R_1^TR_2$$
Now I need to show that ##\psi## is the angle opposite to ##\Phi## in the spherical triangle with ##\Phi_1##, ##\Phi_2## and ##\Phi## considered as the sides.
I am not sure if the problem can be solved in this approach.
Any help or suggestion will be appreciated.
 
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I'm not sure how rigorous the derivation needs to be. But if you construct a diagram of the spherical triangle, then the result appears to follow immediately by inspection of the diagram.
 
TSny said:
I'm not sure how rigorous the derivation needs to be. But if you construct a diagram of the spherical triangle, then the result appears to follow immediately by inspection of the diagram.
I was looking for a rigorous derivation.
 
OK. I don't see a rigorous derivation at the moment. For what it's worth, here's the diagram that seems to me to show the result.

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Start with a spherical apple. Let a radial line sweep out the arc Φ1 from a to b, slicing the apple along the yellow plane. Continue with two more slicings Φ2 and Φ along the blue and green planes, respectively. Remove the wedge of apple that has been sliced out. The picture above shows peering down inside the apple. The red angle is the angle opposite Φ. This angle is clearly the angle between the yellow and blue planes. The result follows by considering how the angle between the yellow and blue planes is related to the angle between the rotation axes corresponding to Φ1 and Φ2.

Hopefully, someone can provide some hints on constructing a rigorous argument.
 
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