Two-Way Intercom System: How Does it Work?

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The discussion centers around the workings of a two-way intercom system, exploring its components, functionality, and potential configurations. Participants delve into technical aspects, circuit design, and simulation methods related to intercom systems, particularly in the context of an introductory electronics project.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe the left speaker functioning as a microphone and the op-amp as a high-gain audio amplifier driving a transistor for speaker output.
  • Concerns are raised about the circuit not being a true two-way device without a similar setup at the other end.
  • One participant notes that the 33 ohm resistor may significantly reduce the voltage available for the speaker, and mentions the potential issues with DC current passing through a speaker coil.
  • A participant requests more detailed explanations and materials for a mini-project related to the intercom system.
  • Simulation queries arise, with suggestions to use an 8 ohm resistor and a sine wave generator for testing the circuit in SPICE.
  • Another participant compares the circuit to an active telephone hybrid circuit, discussing how signals are managed between transmit and receive speakers.
  • One participant proposes a circuit design that allows for power conservation during standby, suggesting that both speakers could function without drawing power from the battery supply.
  • Discussion includes the concept of full duplex communication in hybrid circuits, allowing simultaneous conversation without push-to-talk functionality.
  • Some participants assert that the circuit is merely an amplifier and not a hybrid, with technical details about signal amplification and biasing affecting speaker performance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the circuit represents a true two-way intercom or merely an amplifier. There is no consensus on the effectiveness of the proposed designs or the implications of certain components, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions about circuit behavior, such as the impact of resistor values on performance and the role of DC current in speaker operation. Some technical details remain unresolved, particularly regarding the complete circuit design and its practical implications.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and hobbyists interested in electronics, particularly those working on intercom systems or related projects in introductory courses.

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Can someone please give a detailed explanation of the working of this 2 way intercom ? The mic for the top speaker is between the 1M and 33 ohm resistors and the mic for the bottom left speaker is at the node just below the top speaker.
 
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The left speaker is acting as a microphone.

The opamp is used as a high gain audio amplifier and it drives a transistor which is used as a speaker driver.

The speaker on the right would be connected by long leads to the amplifier and be located at the distant end of the link.

As it stands, it would not be a two-way device. You would need another similar one at the other end.

The 33 ohm resistor would use up quite a lot of the 9 volt supply voltage leaving relatively little for the speaker. In any case, it is considered bad practice to have DC current passing through a speaker coil.
 
I am working on a mini-project based on this. Its an introductory electronics course, so I don't hv much of a background. So could you give me a more detailed explanation, or maybe provide me with some material to refer to?
 
how do i simulate it on spice? As in how would i provide input, say for eg a sine wave? and where do i check the output?
 
You could substitute an 8 ohm resistor for the speaker on the right and a sinewave generator for the speaker on the left.

Then take the output from the collector of the transistor.
 
I think this is trying to represent an active telephone hybrid circuit, where the output from the xmit speaker does not produce a signal in the rcvr speaker and the input signal (from the line) does not produce a signal in the xmit speaker. See discussion of various telephone hybrid circuits at

http://www.epanorama.net/circuits/teleinterface.html#simplehybrid

One of the circuits shows the traditional transformer-coupled hybrid. About 2/3 the way down, a simple op-amp hybrid is shown.

Bob S
 
The speaker shown on the right would be remote from the speaker on the left as this is an amplifier for an intercom.

The feedback shown looks a lot like the constant current regulator you showed some time back, Bob.
I simulated it and it seemed to mostly control the DC behaviour of the opamp.

I would like to see the complete circuit, but something like the following could be worth trying:

[PLAIN]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4222062/intercom.PNG

Here, there is an amplifier and one speaker at each end.

Both speakers are connected to the line and no power is drawn from the battery supply.

When the switch at one end is pushed, power is applied to the amplifier and the local speaker functions as a microphone. The speaker at the other end stiil acts as a speaker and the transmission from the other end is heard.

Because the speakers are in parallel, there is a chance that loud sounds near one speaker would be heard in the other speaker.

However, there would be a big advantage in such a circuit. No power would be used on standby and this would be good for battery operated intercoms.
 
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The intercoms with hybrid circuits can send and receive at the same time (full duplex), so people can converse over the intercom (like our telephones) without having to use a push-to-talk button. Incoming signals from the line go only to the speaker, and outgoing signals from the mic bypass the speaker.

Bob S
 
All this circuit is is an amplifier. No hybrid. The AC signal voltage on the emitter will be 1000 times greater than the input signal from the left speaker. Changing the emitter resistor will change the bias on the speaker as well as the AC signal it receives. It seems like I've repaired older car radios that had DC flowing in the speaker.
 

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