Typo in Landau mechanics pendulum problem?

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Attempting a mechanics problem from Landau's mechanics (3rd edition) I get a different answer, as shown below. Error by me, or typo in the textbook? I can't find any errata page for the text, but since it's an older book, perhaps no such page is maintained.

Chapter 1 problem 3a is to calculate the Lagrangian of a pendulum where the point of support is moving in a circle (figure in this google books url).

Homework Equations



See below.

The Attempt at a Solution

The coordinates of the mass are

p = a e^{i \gamma t} + i l e^{i\phi},

or in coordinates

p = (a \cos\gamma t + l \sin\phi, -a \sin\gamma t + l \cos\phi).

The velocity is

\dot{p} = (-a \gamma \sin\gamma t + l \dot{\phi} \cos\phi, -a \gamma \cos\gamma t - l \dot{\phi} \sin\phi),

and in the square
\dot{p}^2 = a^2 \gamma^2 + l^2 \dot{\phi}^2 - 2 a \gamma \dot{\phi} \sin\gamma t \cos\phi + 2 a \gamma l \dot{\phi} \cos \gamma t \sin\phi=a^2 \gamma^2 + l^2 \dot{\phi}^2 + 2 a \gamma l \dot{\phi} \sin (\gamma t - \phi).

For the potential our height above the minimum is

h = 2a + l - a (1 -\cos\gamma t) - l \cos\phi = a ( 1 + \cos\gamma t) + l (1 - \cos\phi).

In the potential the total derivative \cos\gamma t can be dropped, as can all the constant terms, leaving

U = - m g l \cos\phi,

so by the above the Lagrangian should be (after also dropping the constant term m a^2 \gamma^2/2
\mathcal{L} = \frac{1}{{2}} m \left( l^2 \dot{\phi}^2 + 2 a \gamma l \dot{\phi} \sin (\gamma t - \phi) \right) + m g l \cos\phi.

This is almost the stated value in the text
\mathcal{L} = \frac{1}{{2}} m \left( l^2 \dot{\phi}^2 + 2 a \gamma^2 l \sin (\gamma t - \phi) \right) + m g l \cos\phi.

It looks like an innocent enough typo (text putting in a \gamma instead of a \dot{\phi}). Also oddly, there's a second reference after that point that also doesn't make sense where they refer to the omission of the total derivative m l a \gamma \cos( \phi - \gamma t) ... a term that I didn't have when multiplying out my velocity?

Is there consensus that there are a pair of typos here, and if not, can somebody spot the error in my calculation?
 
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Your calculation looks correct.

However, notice that the second term in the kinetic energy is:
<br /> \begin{align}<br /> &amp; m a l \, \gamma \, \dot{\phi} \, \sin(\gamma t - \phi) \\<br /> = &amp; -m a l \, \gamma \, (\gamma - \dot{\phi}) \, \sin(\gamma t - \phi) + m a l \, \gamma^2 \, \sin(\gamma t - \phi) \\<br /> <br /> = &amp; \frac{d}{dt} \,\left(m a l \, \gamma \, \cos(\gamma t - \phi) \right) + m a l \, \gamma^2 \, \sin(\gamma t - \phi)<br /> \end{align}<br />
After dropping the total time derivative, you get the master's result.
 
Dickfore said:
After dropping the total time derivative, you get the master's result.

Very clever (of both you and the master;). Thanks!
 
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