Understanding Bell's Inequality & Theorem

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The discussion centers around understanding Bell's Inequality and Bell's theorem, with participants seeking clarification and resources related to these concepts in quantum mechanics. The scope includes theoretical explanations, references to literature, and personal interpretations of Bell's ideas.

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  • Several participants express confusion about Bell's Inequality and Bell's theorem, seeking assistance and clarification.
  • One participant suggests resources, including links to previous discussions and academic papers, to help understand the concepts better.
  • Another participant critiques a simplified explanation of Bell's theorem, arguing that it misrepresents Einstein's views on determinism and locality, emphasizing the importance of local hidden variables.
  • A different participant offers their own webpage as a resource, claiming to provide a comprehensive overview of Bell's theorem and related topics, with numerous links for further exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for clarification regarding Bell's Inequality and theorem, but there are competing views on the interpretation of these concepts, particularly regarding Einstein's stance and the implications of locality and determinism.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions reference specific interpretations and critiques of simplified explanations, highlighting the complexity of the subject matter and the varying perspectives on Bell's theorem.

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Hello,

I don't understand Bell's Inequality and Bell's theorem in general. Someone want to help me?
 
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I have tried to write a Homer Simpson's guide to Bell's Inequality at:
http://www.ronsit.co.uk/weird_at_Heart.asp

D'oh...
 
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pibomb said:
Hello,

I don't understand Bell's Inequality and Bell's theorem in general. Someone want to help me?

If you really want to know, try to get your hands on the little book "speakable and unspeakable in quantum mechanics" by Bell himself.
 
Recommend you do not use Bart or Homer Simpson explanation :

“QM goes against Einstein's ideas of determinism

Locality -Says that what happens in one place is affected from a distant place. As an example, the spin of a paired particle at a distant location will 'affect' the spin of the other paired particle.”

Quotes from guide at site:
wawens said:
I have tried to write a Homer Simpson's guide to Bell's Inequality ...

D'oh...
D'oh is right
Einstein did not promote “determinism”.

He was unconcerned with how the multiple values of multiple particles might randomly interact to create a pair of photons out of one photon for example. What he was concerned about was when the pair are created it happens in a “local space” with “local and realistic” values of various attributes or variables assignable to each of the two newly created photons. He wished to find “determent” variables attached to each photon, remaining fixed with each photon until detected later. As they separated from each other Quantum issues "at a distance" like the Bell-EPR paradox (which he never got to personally review) would still be resolvable. Even if the variable he needed was to remain hidden as an unobservable Locally created “Hidden Variable”. With local information retained independently by each photon they would not need any kind of communication or “entanglement” between them to resolve the issue no matter how far apart they separate.

Thus:
This 'Homer' description of “Locality” is upside down! It better describes what Non-Local Theories and EPR-Bell proofs require in a non-local or at least unrealistic reality.
I stopped reading after finding these two:
 
pibomb said:
Hello,

I don't understand Bell's Inequality and Bell's theorem in general. Someone want to help me?

I would humbly point you to one of my own pages: Bell's Theorem: An Overview with Lotsa Links

I give a short background and history, and there are links (flip down to the bottom of the page) to all kinds of more detailed sites - from beginner to expert. From these sites, you can learn the state of the art in Bell's Theorem, entanglement, and experimental tests of all variety of setups. There are at least 30 links, which will in turn take you everywhere you would care to go.
 
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