Understanding Drag and Coefficient of Drag (Cd) in Aero Engineering

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The discussion centers on understanding drag in aerodynamics, specifically the formulas for drag force and drag coefficient. The first formula relates drag to air density, velocity, reference area, and drag coefficient, while the second formula connects the drag coefficient to lift coefficient and airfoil characteristics. The user seeks clarification on obtaining the zero-lift drag coefficient (Cd,0) and how to derive drag force from the given formulas. Participants suggest using a graph of drag coefficients versus angle of attack to find Cd,0 and recommend redesigning the airfoil to match commonly studied shapes if no data is available. They also provide resources like "Javafoil" and "XFLR" for generating aerodynamic data for custom airfoils.
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Hi everyone,

I'm completely new to the aero engineering and have a question regarding drag. The lecturer explained it briefly, threw some formulae at us and now I'm confused trying to make sense of it all.

So, i have these two formulae relating to drag:

1) D = 0.5(rho)(V^2)(A)(Cd) and

2) Cd = Cd,0 + (Cl^2)/(pi)(e)(AR)

From what I've gathered around the internet, the second part in the 2) formula related to induced drag, and the first part is the drag coefficient at zero-lift. What i don't understand is where do i get this Cd,0 from?

I have a graph of coefficient of drag vs angle of attack, do i just read it off the graph?

I'm trying to get the graph of airspeed and drag, so i can find the velocity at minimum drag.

Thank you
 
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kjr said:
I have a graph of coefficient of drag vs angle of attack, do i just read it off the graph?
You can do this. Just make sure the graph applies to your shape and the Reynold's Number of the flow.
 
Great, thanks! So once i do that i just put 2) into 1) and that should give me the drag force, right?
 
Yes. This is a simple, but powerfull, calculation.
 
Good stuff. Thank you!
 
what if you don't have a graph?
 
F1Guille said:
what if you don't have a graph?

For most common airfoils, the graphs of this are easy to find.
 
Yeah, but my airfoil isn't any airfoil hich has been designed before because it isn't rounded in the leading edge, but straight for simplicity for construction. So, if there is no graph?
 
F1Guille said:
Yeah, but my airfoil isn't any airfoil hich has been designed before because it isn't rounded in the leading edge, but straight for simplicity for construction. So, if there is no graph?

Depending on the shape, you may be able to find that as well. That is semi-common in supersonic airfoils. At any rate, my suggestions is to redesign you airfoil so that it matches one of the commonly studied sharp-LE airfoils.
 
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Okay, then do you know any website where there is data (Cl and Cd at different AoA's) about the airfoil??
 
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Well see if there is an airfoil you like in the appendices of "Theory of Wing Sections" by Abbott and von Doenhoff or search the internet for wings you think are acceptable.
 
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F1Guille said:
Okay, then do you know any website where there is data (Cl and Cd at different AoA's) about the airfoil??

Search for an online tool called "Javafoil". Create your custom airfoil then search for a program called "XFLR" All freeware, these tools will get you the aerodynamic data you need.
 
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