Understanding General Relativity & Quantum Gravity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between General Relativity (GR) and Quantum Gravity (QG), exploring how both theories can coexist and the implications of their potential unification. Participants examine the conceptual challenges posed by the differences in how gravity is described in each framework, particularly focusing on the nature of gravity as curvature of spacetime versus particle interactions.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that GR serves as the classical limit of a yet-to-be-defined quantum theory of gravity, suggesting that GR is an approximation rather than a final theory.
  • There is a discussion about how the underlying quantum theory could differ significantly from GR while still yielding GR as its classical limit.
  • One participant notes that if gravity is described by particle interactions in QG, it raises questions about the implications for GR concepts like time dilation.
  • Another participant mentions that the anticipated gauge theory for gravity may be unconventional, although it is suggested that a massless, spin-2 field could lead to GR as its classical limit, despite issues with renormalizability.
  • String theory is mentioned as an attempt to unify GR and QG into a single framework, although details on how this is achieved are not discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the relationship between GR and QG, with some suggesting that GR is an approximation and others questioning the implications of a gauge theory for gravity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of how these theories might coexist or be unified.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion, including the lack of consensus on the nature of the gauge theory for gravity and its implications for established concepts in GR. Additionally, the discussion does not resolve the challenges related to renormalizability in the proposed quantum field theories.

Timothy S
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Hello,

I have a conceptual problem. How can both General Relativity and a theory of Quantum Gravity simultaneously exist? GR describes gravity as the curvature of spacetime, while QG is most likely a gauge theory. Furthermore, if gravity is indeed describedby particle interactions-what does that say about other aspects of GR such as time dilation?
 
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Timothy S said:
How can both General Relativity and a theory of Quantum Gravity simultaneously exist?

The current belief among most physicists is that GR is the classical limit of whatever quantum theory describes gravity. So GR is not itself a "final theory"; it's only an approximation. The underlying quantum theory could indeed be something quite different; as long as its classical limit is GR, that's all that's necessary.

Timothy S said:
GR describes gravity as the curvature of spacetime, while QG is most likely a gauge theory. Furthermore, if gravity is indeed describedby particle interactions-what does that say about other aspects of GR such as time dilation?

If the underlying quantum theory of gravity describes it as "particle interactions", then that is a description at that level. But it certainly doesn't preclude a classical description at a higher level (the level at which GR is a good approximation). Quantum electrodynamics does not preclude a classical description of electromagnetism as classical electric and magnetic fields as an approximation, with no trace of the underlying quantum "particle interactions" that QED describes. The connection between quantum gravity and classical gravity would work the same way.
 
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Thank you for the explanation. It seems to make sense, however, it is apparent that the gauge theory for gravity when it is discovered will be quite odd.
 
Timothy S said:
it is apparent that the gauge theory for gravity when it is discovered will be quite odd.

Not necessarily. It ls already well established that the "obvious" way to construct a quantum field theory of a massless, spin-2 field has GR as its classical limit. The problem is that this "obvious" theory is not renormalizable. But as a gauge theory, it simply says that the gauge freedom corresponds to choosing coordinates, i.e., that it's just diffeomorphism invariance.
 
String theory attempts to unify them into one "theory of everything"
 

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