Understanding Gravitational Force: A Simple Explanation

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The discussion focuses on understanding gravitational force and the associated formulas, particularly how to derive the force equation from Newton's law of gravitation. Participants clarify that the expression for gravitational force involves vectors and their magnitudes, emphasizing the importance of correctly representing these in equations. The conversation highlights the need to normalize vectors to determine the direction of the gravitational force, leading to the final expression that combines both magnitude and direction. Participants also address common misconceptions about vectors and scalars, reinforcing the distinctions between them. Overall, the thread aims to simplify the mathematical concepts behind gravitational force for better comprehension.
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Hi Guys... This topic was discussed in the class. Professor gave out the hand out. I tried to pay attention but couldn't follow it.

Can someone explain this to me in simple English? I'm having hard time understanding this.

I'm attaching a handout that I scanned.

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/4284/gravitationalforce.jpg
 
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Starting from the beginning, what is the first point where you become stuck, and why?
 
I understand the Newton's law. I just don't know how to prove, that if the mass m1 and m2 are the points located at p1 and p2, the distance of those two points are equals r. I don't know how to prove this.
 
If I understand your question, that is a defintion, you don't have to prove it.
 
Right. I understand. This is not a theory which i have to prove (if this then that).

But I have (Gm1m2 / r^2 )

then i have to prove F = (Gm1m2 / p1 - p2) * (p1 - p2)

In the hand out, it says # 3 and shows the above formula. How did they get it? (and rest of the formula) that's what i want to know...
 
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Shaad said:
Right. I understand. This is not a theory which i have to prove (if this then that).

But I have (Gm1m2 / r^2 )

then i have to prove F = (Gm1m2 / p1 - p2) * (p1 - p2)

In the hand out, it says # 3 and shows the above formula. How did they get it? (and rest of the formula) that's what i want to know...

That formula you wrote out there is not nearly correct. You are missing parentheses, you are missing a third power, and you are missing the most important factor: vectors!

Answer yourself these questions. Draw the points P1 and P2 on paper (arbitrary positions) and then try to draw it out:

What is
\vec{P_1} - \vec{P_2}
(Hint, it is still a vector!)

Then what is
\left| \vec{P_1} - \vec{P_2} \right|
(Hint, this is not a vector anymore!)

Finally, what is
\frac{\vec{P_1} - \vec{P_2}}{\left| \vec{P_1} - \vec{P_2} \right|^3}

Do you now understand the third power also?
 
Sorry about my typing. I had no idea, how to code this formula and stuff and yes
I do know the difference between vectors and non-vectors (absolute value).

However, I have no idea the output of
<br /> \frac{\vec{P_1} - \vec{P_2}}{\left| \vec{P_1} - \vec{P_2} \right|^3}<br />



My question is how to get
<br /> {\vec F}({\vec p}) = - \frac { c } { \left | \vec {P} \right | ^3} } { \vec P }<br />

ps: wow it took me 20 min to type it. glad i got it though.
 
If you define the vector r as:
\vec{r} = \vec{P_1} - \vec{P_2}

With length:
r = \left| \vec{P_1} - \vec{P_2} \right|

Then your vector equation for the force becomes:
\vec{F} = \frac{G m_1 m_2 \, \vec{r}}{r^3}

Then finally you have to think about the direction of the force. The direction of the gravitational force is along the vector r. It has the same direction as the vector r. You can also see that in the equation.
Because the direction of the force should have nothing to do with it's magnitude, you have to normalize the vector r:
\vec{e_r} = \frac{\vec{r}}{|\vec{r}|} = \frac{\vec{r}}{r}
This is often called the unit vector in the direction of r. The length of this vector is 1, because we have divided the vector r by it's length (hence the name unit vector).

Then finally, plugging this into the equation, we get:
\vec{F} = \frac{G m_1 m_2}{r^2} \frac{\vec{r}}{r} = \frac{G m_1 m_2}{r^2} \vec{e_r}
Which is simply the magnitude of the force (the first equation on your paper), pointing in the direction of r. To get the very last equation, you simply take P1 to be the origin, which is point (0,0,0) in three dimensions, or (0,0) in two dimensions. In each case, the vector P1 is now the zero vector. So:
\vec{P_1} - \vec{p} = \vec{O} - \vec{p} = -\vec{p}
And because you take the magnitude of the vector, the minus sign does not matter.
 
Shaad said:
yes, I do know the difference between vectors and non-vectors (absolute value).

That's not the difference between vectors and non-vectors. The non-vectors Nick89 was referring to are scalars.

Scalar = a number
Vector = a list of numbers, usually to represent coordinates in some space

A vector can be used to represent many things. It could be a 3D point in that space. Or it could be a direction in that space, if you consider the direction between (0,0,0) and the given point. Or it could be a velocity, if you consider the direction and the length of the vector to be the speed.

ie,in Euclidean space v = (1,0,0) is a vector pointing in the direction of X axis, or it is a point located on the X-axis.

||v|| = \sqrt{ v.x^2 + v.y^2 + v.z^2 } = length of v = a number (scalar)
 
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