Understanding Internal Energy Changes in Phases of Water

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding internal energy changes in water as it transitions through different phases (solid, liquid, gas) within a specified temperature range. Participants are tasked with sketching a diagram that illustrates these changes and labeling key features.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the appropriate equations for calculating internal energy, particularly questioning the role of temperature and specific heat capacity. There is uncertainty about whether the specific heat capacity applies uniformly across different phases of water.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes attempts to clarify the definitions of variables and the applicability of equations. Some participants express confusion regarding the specifics of temperature changes and the relevance of given values. Guidance has been offered regarding the need for background knowledge in thermodynamics.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of a specific heat capacity value provided only in a later part of the question, raising questions about its applicability to the initial problem. Participants also note the ambiguity in the phrasing of the homework prompt.

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Homework Statement


Sketch a diagram of internal energy (y-axis) versus temperature in the range from -10°C to +112°C to indicate how energy would change for a fixed quantity of water in its three phrases. Label and explain the main features of the variation.

Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


I'm going to show how energy would hange over the 3 phases of freezing whilst a solid, melting from a solid and vapourising from a liquid as well as the triple point.

Thing is I'm not sure whether the first equation mc delta theta is the right one for internal energy alone? Would theta represent the change in absolute temperature from -273 degrees or the particles? I assume it's mass x speed of light x the change in absolute temp or something to do with the particles?

Or is another equation entirely?

Cheers
 
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C in the equation is not the speed of light. Guess again.
 
specific or just normal heat capacity?
 
Day3091 said:
specific or just normal heat capacity?
Specific
 
Okay, cheers. So that is definitely the equation used to find the internal energy of a quantity of water in whatever state? It doesn't change for a gas? There's
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and it's relatives in my notes as well and I've got a feeling they may be relevant to gases.

Is theta the change in absolute temperature then?
 
Day3091 said:
Okay, cheers. So that is definitely the equation used to find the internal energy of a quantity of water in whatever state? It doesn't change for a gas? There's View attachment 197422 and it's relatives in my notes as well and I've got a feeling they may be relevant to gases.

Is theta the change in absolute temperature then?
No. ##\Delta \theta## is the change in temperature.

You really need to do some studying in thermo book before you start working on this question. You are lacking the required background.
 
Yeah you're right, I only gave it a general overview. Absolute temp is the difference from -273 degrees isn't it. So mass x specific heat capacity x change in temperature. I just need to find out how the mass changes in phases and states so I can calculate and begin to plot.

The thing is - a mass is only given in part B of the question (Specific capacity of water 4.19 kJ kg–1 K–1) and it isn't specified whether that applies to part A aswell...but it must do for the equation to work. How else am I going to get any values in Joules?
 
Day3091 said:
Yeah you're right, I only gave it a general overview. Absolute temp is the difference from -273 degrees isn't it. So mass x specific heat capacity x change in temperature. I just need to find out how the mass changes in phases and states so I can calculate and begin to plot.

The thing is - a mass is only given in part B of the question (Specific capacity of water 4.19 kJ kg–1 K–1) and it isn't specified whether that applies to part A aswell...but it must do for the equation to work. How else am I going to get any values in Joules?
They only asked for a (rough) sketch.
 
I hope so! It's hard to know whether to take the phrasing literally or not with it being science XD
 

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