Understanding the Flow Control Principle of Valves

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the flow control principle of valves, particularly focusing on the mechanics of globe valves and the implications of fluid dynamics principles such as Bernoulli's principle. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of flow behavior through valves, including friction losses and turbulence effects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the principle of a valve operates for flow control, suggesting that energy conservation implies no change in velocity or static pressure when the inlet and outlet diameters are the same.
  • Another participant proposes that a decrease in flow area should lead to a static pressure drop and an increase in flow velocity, but questions why the velocity would not return to its original value upon exiting the valve.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that the valve restricts flow cross-section, increasing friction and potentially leading to turbulent flow, which results in a lower mean velocity for a given pressure drop.
  • One participant suggests that energy loss occurs through friction as heat, complicating the modeling of flow through a valve.
  • Another participant adds that turbulence and friction contribute to pressure loss, indicating that the flow dynamics are more complex than simplified models suggest.
  • A later reply mentions that empirical methods are used for modeling, referencing a curve provided by valve vendors that relates valve position to head loss in the context of Bernoulli's equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of friction and turbulence in flow control through valves, with no consensus on the implications of these factors for energy loss and flow behavior.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in modeling due to assumptions about friction and turbulence, indicating that real-world flow behavior is more complicated than theoretical models suggest.

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How exactly would you describe the principle of a valve for flow control?

In a globe valve for example the fluid flows through valve seat and generally leaves the valve with the outlet diameter being the same as the inlet diameter.

My original assumptions were that Bernoulli's principle had to be somehow related but if you ignore friction losses etc. then surely the energy is conserved and the dynamic pressure at the outlet would equal the inlet dynamic pressure due to the diameters being the same. In this case there would be no change in velocity or static pressure.

Energy must be lost somehow for the volumetric flow to change but how?
 
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Some more thoughts...

An decrease in flow area would cause a static pressure drop which would, again assuming no friction losses, have the effect of increasing flow velocity. This I can understand would happen through the inlet and seat of the valve however fundamentally as the fluid leaves the valve the opposite should occur and the velocity should return to its original value.

By this logic there should be no net static or dynamic pressure change across the valve.
 
In reality the valve restricts the cross-section of the flow, thus increasing the power of friction resisting the flow and also supporting the development of turbulent flow. As a result of these processes, for a given pressure drop the mean velocity of water gets lower.
 
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In response to Jano L.

So what you are saying is that energy is lost through friction as heat? I guess this would make modelling the flow through a valve fairly difficult.


I also refer to the image below, theoretically assuming no losses in the pipe to friction and incompressibility etc. if we could somehow control the area of A2 this would have no effect on the net volumetric flow through this section? Therefore the concept of a valve solely relies on the increase in friction?

bernoul.gif
 
Friction and also turbulence. The valve may increase the whirling motion of the water which also leads to decrease of pressure, and the friction then leads to loss of even this whirling motion into heat. The picture you posted is very simplified picture of what happens to water. In practice the flow is usually not so simple.
 
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fonz said:
... I guess this would make modelling the flow through a valve fairly difficult.

yes. In practice it is done empirically. The result is a curve provided by the valve vendor, Cv vs. position, that allows you to include a head loss term on the RHS of your Bernoulli equation.
 
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