Understanding the Meaning of '100 Pounds' in Physics

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the term '100 pounds' in the context of physics, specifically addressing the distinction between weight and mass. Participants explore the implications of using pounds as a unit of measurement and the nuances involved in everyday language versus scientific terminology.

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  • Some participants argue that the term 'weight' is often misused in colloquial contexts, where it is treated as synonymous with mass, despite its scientific definition as a force.
  • Others point out that pounds are technically a unit of mass, and clarify that the correct term for force should be pounds-force (lbf), while pounds-mass (lbm) should be used for mass.
  • One participant mentions the conversion factor of gravitational acceleration (approximately 9.8 m/s²) that relates force to mass, noting that this value can vary based on location on Earth.
  • There is a suggestion that the everyday understanding of weight may differ significantly from scientific definitions, with laypeople often focusing on practical implications rather than theoretical nuances.

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Participants express differing views on the meaning of 'weight' and its implications in various contexts, indicating that multiple competing interpretations remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the ambiguity in the use of terms related to weight and mass, emphasizing the dependence on context and the potential for misunderstanding in both scientific and everyday language.

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If weight is measured in Newtons, then why do we say we are 100 pounds? Do we actually mean 100 pounds of mass?
 
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A bunch of reasons. A couple of them:

1. We scientists and engineers often accuse the lay community of stealing and perverting our words (e.g. theory). This is a case where we scientists and engineers have stolen and perverted a perfectly good word, weight. Legally and colloquially, weight is, and always has been, a synonym for mass.

2. Pounds are a unit of mass, not force. If you mean the English unit of force you need to be specific: pounds-force, or lbf for short. Of course, turn about is fair play. If you don't want people to wonder which pound you mean, you should say pounds-mass, or lbm for short.
 
Yes. There is of course a hidden conversion factor (acceleration due to gravity on earth, about 9.8 m/s^2 in SI units, I don't know it in your units - sorry) which allows us to relate force to acceleration. Of course this is not entirely unambiguous, because the exact number (9.8...) depends on where you are on earth, but in our everyday life, we all know what we mean.
 
So when we talk about how much something weighs, we are actually talking about how much mass it has, right?
 
It depends on who is doing the talking. Everyday people typically just mean how much it weighs and don't give a bleep about the nuances. They do care if it hits their pocketbooks, for example, if the grocer's scales are crooked. Lawyers, the same. A one pound can of food had better have the same amount of stuff on it atop a mountain near the equator as it does in a depression in the Arctic. Aircraft designers are almost certainly talking about weight of some object (usually an airframe) being the gravitational force acting on the object. And finally, when you step on your bathroom scale: You are measuring yet another meaning of the term weight.
 

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