I Understanding the stress-energy tensor

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The discussion focuses on understanding the stress-energy tensor, particularly the meaning of T^(12), which represents the flux of the x-component of momentum in the y-direction. It clarifies that while momentum is a vector, its components can interact across different directions, exemplified by shear stress where a force in the x-direction acts on a face normal to the y-direction. The conversation also connects this concept to electromagnetic waves, indicating that the stress due to electromagnetic fields is described by the Maxwell stress tensor. The calculation of momentum flux involves considering particle movement and their average momentum, leading to expressions for both nonrelativistic and relativistic scenarios. Overall, the discussion emphasizes the nuanced interactions of momentum components in various physical contexts.
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I have trouble understanding some terms in the stress-energy-tensor. For instance T^(12) stands for the flux of the x-component of momentum in the y-direction. But what does it means for the x-component of momentum to flow in the y direction? Since momentum is a vector should't the x-component always point in the x-direction?
 
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Higgsono said:
But what does it means for the x-component of momentum to flow in the y direction? Since momentum is a vector should't the x-component always point in the x-direction?
This is a shear stress. In a shear stress you have a force in the x direction on a face which is normal to the y direction. The x component of the force does always point in the x direction, but it can cross a face which is normal to the y direction.
 
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Dale said:
This is a shear stress. In a shear stress you have a force in the x direction on a face which is normal to the y direction. The x component of the force does always point in the x direction, but it can cross a face which is normal to the y direction.

So what does this mean for say an electromagnetic wave propagating through vacuum or a medium?
 
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I have trouble understanding some terms in the stress-energy-tensor. For instance T^(12) stands for the flux of the x-component of momentum in the y-direction. But what does it means for the x-component of momentum to flow in the y direction? Since momentum is a vector should't the x-component always point in the x-direction?

In 3 dimensions, imagine that you have lots of particles moving around. You want to compute the flux of y-momentum in the x-direction. The way you do it is to consider a membrane that is set up parallel to the y-z plane, as shown in the figure. Let ##\Delta \overrightarrow{P}## be the momentum that passes through the membrane from left to right during a small time interval ##\Delta t##. The momentum flux in the x-direction will then be: ##\frac{\Delta \overrightarrow{P}}{A \Delta t}## (change in momentum per unit area per unit time).

So how do we calculate ##\Delta \overrightarrow{P}##? Well, in the simplest case, the particles are non-interacting. So the amount of momentum passing through the membrane is just the average momentum of each particle that passes through times the number of particles.

So we have: ##\Delta \overrightarrow{P} = \overrightarrow{P}_{av} \Delta N##

The number of particles that pass through the membrane during time ##\Delta t## is just:

##\Delta N = \rho V^x_{av} A \Delta t##

It's proportional to the area of the membrane, ##A##, the average velocity in the direction perpendicular to the membrane, ##(V^x)_{av}## and the number of particles per unit volume, ##\rho##, and the time ##\Delta t##. So putting it all together:

##\frac{\Delta \overrightarrow{P}}{A \Delta t} = \frac{\overrightarrow{P}_{av} \rho V^x_{av} A \Delta t}{A \delta t} = \overrightarrow{P}_{av} \rho V^x_{av}##

The flux of y-momentum in the x-direction would then be:

##P^y_{av} V^x_{av} \rho##

Nonrelativistically, ##P^y = m V^y##, so you have:

##T^{yx} = V^y_{av} V^x_{av} \rho_{m}## (where ##\rho_m## is ##m \rho##, the mass density, rather than the number density).

Relativistically, ##P^y = E/c^2 V^y## (where ##E## is the relativistic energy), so you have:

##T^{yx} = V^y_{av} V^x_{av} \rho_{E}/c^2## (where ##\rho_E## is ##E \rho##, the energy density, rather than the number density).
 
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stevendaryl said:
In 3 dimensions, imagine that you have lots of particles moving around. You want to compute the flux of y-momentum in the x-direction. The way you do it is to consider a membrane that is set up parallel to the y-z plane, as shown in the figure. Let ##\Delta \overrightarrow{P}## be the momentum that passes through the membrane from left to right during a small time interval ##\Delta t##. The momentum flux in the x-direction will then be: ##\frac{\Delta \overrightarrow{P}}{A \Delta t}## (change in momentum per unit area per unit time).

So how do we calculate ##\Delta \overrightarrow{P}##? Well, in the simplest case, the particles are non-interacting. So the amount of momentum passing through the membrane is just the average momentum of each particle that passes through times the number of particles.

So we have: ##\Delta \overrightarrow{P} = \overrightarrow{P}_{av} \Delta N##

The number of particles that pass through the membrane during time ##\Delta t## is just:

##\Delta N = \rho V^x_{av} A \Delta t##

It's proportional to the area of the membrane, ##A##, the average velocity in the direction perpendicular to the membrane, ##(V^x)_{av}## and the number of particles per unit volume, ##\rho##, and the time ##\Delta t##. So putting it all together:

##\frac{\Delta \overrightarrow{P}}{A \Delta t} = \frac{\overrightarrow{P}_{av} \rho V^x_{av} A \Delta t}{A \delta t} = \overrightarrow{P}_{av} \rho V^x_{av}##

The flux of y-momentum in the x-direction would then be:

##P^y_{av} V^x_{av} \rho##

Nonrelativistically, ##P^y = m V^y##, so you have:

##T^{yx} = V^y_{av} V^x_{av} \rho_{m}## (where ##\rho_m## is ##m \rho##, the mass density, rather than the number density).

Relativistically, ##P^y = E/c^2 V^y## (where ##E## is the relativistic energy), so you have:

##T^{yx} = V^y_{av} V^x_{av} \rho_{E}/c^2## (where ##\rho_E## is ##E \rho##, the energy density, rather than the number density).

Thanks, I think it made it clearer.
 

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