Understanding Transformer Output Current: Ohm's Law vs. Transformer Losses

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between transformer output current and voltage, particularly in the context of Ohm's Law and transformer losses. Participants explore how stepping up or down voltage affects current, considering both ideal and real-world scenarios involving load resistance and source impedance.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that stepping up voltage in a transformer results in reduced current, while stepping down voltage increases current, referencing the power equation P=VI.
  • Others argue that both the power equation and Ohm's Law (V=IR) are correct but may be misapplied in this context.
  • A participant explains that the open-circuit output voltage depends on the turns ratio and source voltage amplitude, noting that output current is zero in the open-circuit case.
  • It is mentioned that adding a load resistance changes the scenario, requiring consideration of source impedance and transformer losses to determine actual output current.
  • Participants discuss that in an ideal transformer with no losses, the secondary current can be calculated as Np/Ns multiplied by the primary current, but real-world losses affect this value.
  • There is an emphasis that V=IR remains valid for the secondary side, but the voltage may be reduced due to source impedance and winding resistances.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are competing views on the application of Ohm's Law versus the power equation in the context of transformers, and the impact of losses and load on output current remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on assumptions about ideal versus real transformers, the role of source impedance, and the effects of transformer losses, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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so in transformer if we step up voltage,current is reduced and if we step down, current is increased based on p=vi...but based on ohm's law v=ir..so we step up,current should be increasing and and if we step down, current is decreasing right ..which formula is correct?
 
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They are both correct. You are simply applying one of them wrong.
 
spidey said:
so in transformer if we step up voltage,current is reduced and if we step down, current is increased based on p=vi...but based on ohm's law v=ir..so we step up,current should be increasing and and if we step down, current is decreasing right ..which formula is correct?

The open-circuit output voltage of a transformer depends on the turns ratio and the source voltage amplitude. The output current is zero in the open-circuit case.

Once you add a load resistance to the secondary of the transformer, then things change. You need to account for the source impedance and the current in the load resistance, before you can say what the current is. If the transformer were lossless, and the source impedance negligible, then yes, the secondary current is Np/Ns multiplied by the primary current (since there is no power loss in the ideal transformer). But when there are transformer losses, and when the source impedance of the driving voltage source is not negligible, then the output current is less than the ideal value.

V=IR will always hold for the secondary side, but the voltage that you are getting will be pulled down from the source's open-circuit voltage level, due to the drop across the source impedance and due to transformer losses (like voltage drop across the winding resistances).

Does that help?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer

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berkeman said:
The open-circuit output voltage of a transformer depends on the turns ratio and the source voltage amplitude. The output current is zero in the open-circuit case.

Once you add a load resistance to the secondary of the transformer, then things change. You need to account for the source impedance and the current in the load resistance, before you can say what the current is. If the transformer were lossless, and the source impedance negligible, then yes, the secondary current is Np/Ns multiplied by the primary current (since there is no power loss in the ideal transformer). But when there are transformer losses, and when the source impedance of the driving voltage source is not negligible, then the output current is less than the ideal value.

V=IR will always hold for the secondary side, but the voltage that you are getting will be pulled down from the source's open-circuit voltage level, due to the drop across the source impedance and due to transformer losses (like voltage drop across the winding resistances).

Does that help?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer

.

Thanks for the info...
 

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