Calculating Force Constant for a Harmonic Oscillator: Units and Conversions

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The discussion centers on calculating the force constant for a harmonic oscillator given its fundamental frequency and reduced mass. There is confusion regarding the units of the force constant, with participants debating the appropriateness of expressing it in energy per distance squared. The equation k = ω²mr is highlighted, but issues arise with the units, particularly concerning the conversion of wavenumbers to standard frequency units. Participants clarify that 1000 cm−1 represents a frequency that can be converted using the speed of light, leading to a resolution of the unit discrepancies. Ultimately, the discussion emphasizes the importance of proper unit conversion to arrive at the correct force constant in the desired units.
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Homework Statement


A molecule is a harmonic oscillator, and has a fundamental frequency of 1000 cm−1 and a reduced mass of 10.0 amu. From this, determine the magnitude of the force constant, and express it in units of aJ ˚A−2 (atto joules per angstrom).

Homework Equations


ω=√(k/mr)

The Attempt at a Solution



My question is about the requested units. Force constants of harmonic oscillators are given as force*distance, no? So the request for the units in energy/distance2 doesn't make sense. Further, using the relevant equation given I end up with amu/cm2, or mass/distance2. I suppose wavenumbers can be counted as energy as well. Even then, you'd end up with J^2*amu or J*amu/cm. The problem, then, is the remaining mass. I'm fairly certain I'm misunderstanding something in this, however. Any help would be appreciated.

Edit: Apologies for having to move my thread. This is this first part of a multistep quantum mechanical problem. I guess this part is technically more introductory.
 
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No. The force constant is ##k## as in ##F=-kx## in Hooke's law.
 
vela said:
No. The force constant is ##k## as in ##F=-kx## in Hooke's law.
Sorry, I meant force/distance. My question still stands.
 
Energy has units of force times distance, so…
 
vela said:
Energy has units of force times distance, so…

I know but the problem is the units of this problem itself. I need the units to be in energy/distance^2 which is proper but the output of the equation includes mass and energy (amu and wavenumbers^2) which, from what I can tell, can't be converted to any form of a force constant, which is why I'm sure I'm doing something wrong.

Pulling apart the given equation, it tells us that k = ω2mr. Omega is in wave numbers which is an energy unit, and mr is a reduced mass in units of amu. So E2* mass (from the equation) should be equal to energy/distance2 (from the requested unit in the problem). This is clearly not true, unless Energy is equal to inverse distance2 times mass.
 
Sorry, I didn't notice the non-standard units for the frequency. That seems like a typo, where it should say the units are s-1, or you're supposed to follow some sort of convention like mapping wave numbers to frequency via a relation like ##c = \omega k##.
 
vela said:
From reading http://quantum.bu.edu/notes/QuantumMechanics/HarmonicOscillator.pdf, I gather 1000 cm-1 refers to the reciprocal wavelength ##\tilde{\nu} = 1/\lambda = \nu/c##, where ##\nu## is the frequency in Hz and ##c## is the speed of light.

So, in other words, your suggestion is multiplying wavenumbers by the speed of light, which will result in a normal frequency (s-1). Even if this is done, I end up with mass/s2 which is... force/distance I guess, which is correct.

Ok, cool. Thanks.
 
vela said:
From reading http://quantum.bu.edu/notes/QuantumMechanics/HarmonicOscillator.pdf, I gather 1000 cm-1 refers to the reciprocal wavelength ##\tilde{\nu} = 1/\lambda = \nu/c##, where ##\nu## is the frequency in Hz and ##c## is the speed of light.
Hmm, one more question. The final answer I get is in units of kg/s2. It's true that, when the distances are canceled in the final unit requested in the problem, that these units are correct. How do I apply these distances to the number? For instance, let's say I got 1 kg/s2. Can I just multiply it by 1 meter2 for sake of unit conversion to get to joule, and divide 10-20 for the angstrom part?
 
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