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University of Chicago Study: The Stupid are Outbreeding the Smart

  1. Dec 26, 2003 #1
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  3. Dec 26, 2003 #2

    Evo

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    Yeah, well since this is a joke...made up, not real..just for humor, what's your point?
     
  4. Dec 27, 2003 #3

    Monique

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    Carlos, it is time for yourself to become intelligent and stop linking us to not so clever sites.

    You too have been using the mechanism of overwhelming the smart with the stupid..
     
  5. Dec 28, 2003 #4
    Insults/name-calling is not a valid argument.

    Regarding the article, I was curious as to whether it was legit or just a joke. If it is a joke, then we can disregard it. I did do a check at the University mentioned and couldn't find the name of the research leader or the study mentioned.

    Regards,

    Carlos Hernandez
     
  6. Dec 28, 2003 #5

    Evo

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    Carlos, may I suggest that before you post something as a fact, that you actually verify it?
     
  7. Dec 28, 2003 #6
    I tried to verify this story, but could not find anything. But, I thought I would post it anyway and let you decide for yourself if it is valid or not.
     
  8. Dec 28, 2003 #7

    Evo

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    What, in the hopes that someone might actually think this was real?
     
  9. Dec 28, 2003 #8

    Monique

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    That is not name-calling. My observation is very valid.

    I posted:
    Carlos, it is time for yourself to become intelligent and stop linking us to not so clever sites.

    You tell me, is that a valid argument or not? 1. yes, it is not a very clever site (the fact that it says 'humor' in the URL should give that away), 2. yes, you could have been intelligent enough to recognize that OR post a disclaimer that you'd like to know if the link is valid.

    I posted:
    You too have been using the mechanism of overwhelming the smart with the stupid..

    See above.
     
  10. Dec 29, 2003 #9

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    Dead link for me.
     
  11. Dec 30, 2003 #10
    Don't feel bad...you would have to be terminally stupid to think it was anything but a sad attempt at humor.
     
  12. Dec 30, 2003 #11
    i think it was posted on the theonion.com a month back or so.

    although it is humor, i would venture to guess there is some truth behind it (probably why some consider it kind of funny). However, I see that Evo may have some evidence to the contrary.

    assuming there is a significant descrepancy between the reproduction rates of "educated" and "non-educated" we are left with a few things to consider:

    education level is certainly heritable at the cultural level, but this variation is not as limited as genetic variation. so i would consider a society that values education and the search for the truth (in the form of dollars and values) one that would combat this possible problem.

    if we want to limit teenage pregnancy which presumably produces "less valuable" members of society, we are left with some alternatives. it has been shown (margo daly and wilson and i believe some other researchers) that if life expectancy in an area increases the age of first reproduction and first menstration will also increase.

    so the solution is simple: provide more for societies education, health care and well being and we get less reproduction rate variation, and happier citizens

    or we can just use eugenics (j/k)
     
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  13. Jan 10, 2004 #12
    I don't know Carlos? However you are living proof that the fear that the stupid are outbreeding the smart maybe true.
     
  14. Jan 10, 2004 #13
    I'm sure there has to be moderators here, why don't you just ban him. He's obviously a troll.

    troll


    He has nothing intelligent to add to the forum or he would have already done so instead of flooding the board with multiple threads about IQ.
     
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  15. Jan 23, 2004 #14
    Even if it were true, it would be a mute point. The human brain does not need to evolve for us to become more educated as a society. Education can not be inherited only learned. Even the brains of the most educated have plenty of room for addition knowlegde.

    Nautica
     
  16. Jan 23, 2004 #15
    assuming that their is no heritable biological bases for "intellect", there is still the concern that through cultural evolution much of the "intellect" of a child may be determined by their childhood environment.

    Your point is well taken though, but it implies that we can just funnel more dough into schools to make people smarter.

    I wonder if it would be more productive to start at an even lower level, trying to create an environment where those ill-achivers can take on the characteristics of the middle class we so value.

    ...some socialism
     
  17. Jan 23, 2004 #16
    I did not say that intelligence could not be inherited I said education could not. You can have one without the other.

    Nautica
     
  18. Jan 23, 2004 #17

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    PF members,

    This is one of the most deadly serious topics imaginable. The hereditability of desirable characteristics - eugenics - was, arguably, a key factor behind the Hitler Nazi agenda. It's absolutely a key plank in the racist agenda. If you don't know the history here, please go read up on it.

    Nereid.
     
  19. Jan 23, 2004 #18
    I seriously doubt this post has anything to do with eugenics.

    Nautica
     
  20. Jan 23, 2004 #19

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    Perhaps some PF readers would be so kind as to post translations of 1930's Nazi literature? Then we could compare and decide for ourselves.

    What were the intellectual writings that Adolf and his colleagues drew from for their concepts? Please post a reputable historian's account which does NOT reference the eugenics movement of the early 20th century.
     
  21. Jan 23, 2004 #20
    We have all read that, but I believe you are taking this too seriously, It was a joke that was based on partial truths. Nothing more, nothing less, at least I hope.



    Nautica
     
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