Use superposition to find potential drop (but a problem)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around using superposition to find the potential drop (V0) in a given electrical circuit. Participants explore the application of superposition, current division, and alternative analysis methods such as Thevenin and Norton equivalents. The context is primarily homework-related, focusing on circuit analysis techniques.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the use of superposition to determine current (I') and (I'') in the circuit, applying voltage and current division rules.
  • There is a question regarding the direction of the current I'' and whether it should be considered negative, leading to a potential conclusion that the total current I could be zero.
  • Another participant suggests that a current of zero is acceptable and encourages confirming results with alternative methods such as nodal analysis or source conversion.
  • A later reply indicates that switching from Thevenin to Norton equivalents resulted in a current of 6A in the opposite direction, suggesting that the currents cancel out.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the implications of a zero current and whether it affects the calculation of V0. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the results, as some suggest that zero current is valid while others question the correctness of the approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not resolve the implications of the current being zero on the potential drop V0. The discussion reflects various assumptions about circuit behavior and the application of superposition, which may depend on the specific definitions and interpretations used.

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Homework Statement



Use superposition to find V0 in the circuit:


http://imageshack.us/a/img62/5567/eecircfinal1.jpg


Homework Equations




V = IR

Voltage division for 2 series resistors:
V across a resistor = (Resistor / total series resistance)(V in)

Current division for 2 parallel resistors:
Current through a resistor = (other resistor / math. sum of parallel resistors)(I in)


Superposition methods:
I = I' + I''

I' = current with circuit having voltage source shorted
I'' = current with circuit having current source cut out

The Attempt at a Solution




Following the above & So for I' and the voltage source shorted:

http://imageshack.us/a/img29/8991/eecircfinal1edit1.jpg


Then with current division,

I' = (4Ω/12Ω)(6A)

I' = 2A


Following the above again for I'' and with the current source cut out:

http://imageshack.us/a/img541/5840/eecircfinal1edit2.jpg


And then since the resistors above are all in series then I just add to get R tot = 12Ω.

But then I = V/R

So then I'' = 24V / 12Ω

I'' = 2A,

BUT compared with the set superposition current direction in the diagram would it then be -2A?


If so, then the current I = I' + I'' would be 0 and then I think that would be wrong. I know afterwards after you get I from I' + I'', then V0 is just V0 = I*2Ω
 
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Color_of_Cyan said:
BUT compared with the set superposition current direction in the diagram would it then be -2A?
Sure.
If so, then the current I = I' + I'' would be 0 and then I think that would be wrong. I know afterwards after you get I from I' + I'', then V0 is just V0 = I*2Ω
0 is a perfectly good value for the current :smile:

Why not confirm your results using one or more other techniques? For example, nodal analysis, or mesh analysis. Or even better, source conversion; convert the voltage source and series resistor into an equivalent current source... what do you see then?
 
Okay, so it's a trick question then :D

Thanks.

So V0 is just 0 then too.

And checking what you say, switched the Thevenin voltage to Norton equivalent current (or however you call it) and got 6A going the opposite way. So the current actually cancels out ?
Thanks for the help again.
 
Color_of_Cyan said:
And checking what you say, switched the Thevenin voltage to Norton equivalent current (or however you call it) and got 6A going the opposite way. So the current actually cancels out ?
The current sources are in parallel, so they add: -6 + 6 = 0, no problem!
 

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