Using Angle Difference to Get Exact Value

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around using the angle difference formula to find the exact value of the expression sin(14π/15) cos(11π/60) - cos(14π/15) sin(11π/60). Participants explore the application of trigonometric identities to simplify the expression and evaluate it, focusing on the mathematical reasoning involved.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests help with a trigonometric expression involving sine and cosine.
  • Another participant introduces the angle sum/difference formula for sine and encourages identifying the angles involved.
  • Participants confirm the identification of angles α and β as 14π/15 and 11π/60, respectively.
  • There is a suggestion to simplify the expression using the angle difference formula, leading to the sine of a new angle.
  • One participant questions whether certain cosine terms would cancel each other out, which is clarified by another participant.
  • Participants discuss the need to find a common denominator to simplify the angle argument of the sine function.
  • There is an exchange about finding the least common denominator, with one participant suggesting 154, which is corrected to 60.
  • After simplification, the expression is determined to reduce to sin(3π/4), prompting further evaluation of its value.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the value of sin(3π/4), with one suggesting a numerical approximation that is corrected to a known exact value.
  • Finally, the exact value of the sine function is confirmed as √2/2.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the application of the angle difference formula and the simplification process, but there are moments of uncertainty regarding specific values and calculations. The discussion reflects a mix of correct and incorrect assertions, with no consensus on the initial numerical approximations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion over the calculations and the use of special angles, indicating a need for clarity in the evaluation process. The discussion includes corrections and refinements of earlier claims without establishing a definitive conclusion until the final value is reached.

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Need some help with this problem.

Use a sum or difference formula to find the exact value of the following.

sin14π/15 cos11π/60 -cos14π/15 sin11π/60=

Thanks
 
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Hello and welcome to MHB, zolton5971! :D

For future reference, we ask those posting questions to show what they have tried so our helpers know where you are stuck or where you may have gone astray.

Now, the formula we want to bring to bear here is:

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Angle Sum/Difference Formula for Sine

$$\sin(\alpha\pm\beta)=\sin(\alpha)\cos(\beta)\pm\cos(\alpha)\sin(\beta)\tag{1}$$[/box]

Can you identify $\alpha$ and $\beta$ in this case and apply the above formula (1)?
 
A is 14Pi/15 and B is 11pi/60
 
zolton5971 said:
A is 14Pi/15 and B is 11pi/60

Okay, good! (Yes)

Now, what does the formula in (1) tell us about the original difference you stated?
 
I'm having a little trouble with that?
 
Well, taking the values for $\alpha$ and $\beta$ which you correctly identified, and plugging into (1), we obtain:

$$\sin\left(\frac{14\pi}{15}-\frac{11\pi}{60}\right)=\sin\left(\frac{14\pi}{15}\right)\cos\left(\frac{11\pi}{60}\right)-\cos\left(\frac{14\pi}{15}\right)\sin\left(\frac{11\pi}{60}\right)$$

Now, we have on the right side of this equation the expression originally given, and so we know we can find its value by using what's on the left. Can you simplify the angle which is the argument of the sine function there?
 
would the two cos(11π60)−cos(14π15) cancel each other out
 
zolton5971 said:
would the two cos(11π60)−cos(14π15) cancel each other out

No, we have used the angle difference formula to simplify the original expression to:

$$\sin\left(\frac{14\pi}{15}-\frac{11\pi}{60}\right)$$

Now what you want to do is evaluate the difference representing the angle of the sine function. So, get a common denominator, and then reduce the result...what do you find?
 
For some reason I am getting .9847 is that right?
 
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zolton5971 said:
For some reason I am getting .9847 is that right?

No, and without seeing your work, I have no idea where you went astray. Why not follow my suggestion above, and tell me to what the argument for the sine function reduces?

edit: You will be able to get the exact value, not a decimal approximation.
 
  • #11
Would you be able to show me how to do that?
 
  • #12
We need to evaluate the expression:

$$\frac{14\pi}{15}-\frac{11\pi}{60}$$

What is the LCD?
 
  • #13
is it 154?
 
  • #14
zolton5971 said:
is it 154?

No the LCD is the LCM of the two denominators, and since 60 is divisible by 15, it is 60, so this means that in order to get the term on the left to have a denominator of 60, we need to multiply it by 1 in the form of:

$$1=\frac{60/15}{60/15}=\frac{4}{4}$$

So, we now have:

$$\frac{14\pi}{15}\cdot\frac{4}{4}-\frac{11\pi}{60}=\frac{56\pi}{60}-\frac{11\pi}{60}$$

Now we have a common denominator, so to what does the expression reduce?
 
  • #15
3pi/4?
 
  • #16
zolton5971 said:
3pi/4?

Correct...so this means we know the original expression is equal to:

$$\sin\left(\frac{3\pi}{4}\right)$$

This is a special angle...what is the value of the above sine function?
 
  • #17
is it 2.35?
 
  • #18
zolton5971 said:
is it 2.35?

No, recall that for any real number $x$, we must have:

$$-1\le\sin(x)\le1$$

You should know this value as one of your special angles, or by converting this quadrant II angle to a quadrant I angle using the identity:

$$\sin(\theta)=\sin(\pi-\theta)$$

So, we could also use:

$$\sin\left(\frac{\pi}{4}\right)$$

What is the value of this?
 
  • #19
sqrt2/2?
 
  • #20
zolton5971 said:
sqrt2/2?

Yes, so we know the original expression has a value of:

$$\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}$$
 
  • #21
Thanks I really appreciate it!
 

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