Using Symmetry to Evaluate Double Integrals over a Square Region

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a double integral using symmetry over a square region defined by specific vertices. The integral in question is SS_D 6 - x + 7y dA, where D is the square with vertices at (±5, 0) and (0, ±5).

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss various methods of evaluating the integral, including integrating over half the square and using symmetry to simplify the problem. Questions arise about the correctness of the original poster's answer and the implications of symmetry on the integral's value.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants offering hints and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been provided regarding the evaluation of specific components of the integral using symmetry, but no consensus has been reached on the final answer.

Contextual Notes

There is some confusion regarding the dimensions of the square region D, with differing interpretations of its size and shape. Participants are also exploring the implications of integrating certain terms, such as -x and 7y, and how they relate to the overall evaluation of the integral.

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Homework Statement


Use symmetry to evaluate the given integral.
SS_D 6-x+7y dA
where D is the region bounded by the square with vertices (±5, 0) and (0, ±5).

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I worked it out and got 300. But I did it by integrating one half then the other and adding the two together. I am looking for someone to confirm rather my answer is correct of not and to show me how to do it using symmetry
 
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It think it's 600 isn't it? Hint: can you show that SS_D 6 is the same as your original integral using symmetry?
 
Yes. SS_D 6 is also 300. Does this mean my answer is right?
 
So your answer to Dick's question, "can you show that SS_D 6 is the same as your original integral using symmetry?" is yes? How do you show it?
 
ktobrien said:
Yes. SS_D 6 is also 300. Does this mean my answer is right?

No, SS_D 6 isn't 300. How are you getting that? D is a 10x10 square. My hint was to show SS_D (-x) and SS_D 7y are zero. And then think about why.
 
SS_D 6 is 300 over the square. x goes from 0 to 5 and y goes from x-5 to 5-x. This is half of the square. This integral equals 150. You then multiply that by 2 to get the whole square. The answer is therefore 300. My answer is correct. Also, D is not a 10X10 square. It is a 5X5 square with its corners at (5,0), (0,5), (-5,0), and (0,-5).
 
ktobrien said:
SS_D 6 is 300 over the square. x goes from 0 to 5 and y goes from x-5 to 5-x. This is half of the square. This integral equals 150. You then multiply that by 2 to get the whole square. The answer is therefore 300. My answer is correct. Also, D is not a 10X10 square. It is a 5X5 square with its corners at (5,0), (0,5), (-5,0), and (0,-5).

Ah, you are right. I was drawing the wrong square. Sorry. The sides of the square actually have length 5*sqrt(2). But now can you see why the integral of (-x) or 7*y over the square will automatically vanish?
 

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