Using the law of conservation of kinetic energy

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The discussion centers on solving a physics problem involving two objects with different masses and velocities before impact. The user initially applies the conservation of momentum and kinetic energy but struggles with the algebra, leading to incorrect conclusions about the velocities after impact. Key errors identified include incorrect manipulation of equations and assumptions about the interaction of the objects. The correct approach involves factoring rather than dividing by variables that could be zero. Ultimately, the user gains clarity on their mistake and acknowledges the need for proper algebraic handling to find the correct velocities.
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HI,
I am wondering how to solve this physics question:

-We have an object A and we have an object B
-We place these objects at a distance from each other.
-Object A has mass m.
-Object B has mass 3m.
-Object A moves toward object B with velocity v.
-Object B moves toward object A with velocity -v.

Q; What is the velocity of each object after impact?
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Can you tell me what I am doing wrong here: (I don't know where I have made a mistake)

(v1) = velocity of Object A after impact.
(v2) = velocity of Object B after impact.

Total momentum = mv-3mv= -2mv = m(v1) + 3m(v2)

Dividing both sides by m we find that:
-2v = (v1) + 3(v2)

and solving for v1 we find,

(v1) = -2v-3(v2) (1)

Using the law of conservation of kinetic energy we also get:

(.5)mv^2 + (.5)(3m)v^2 = (.5)m(v1)^2 + (.5)(3m)(v2)^2

Now divide by .5 and then by m to come up with:

4v^2 = (v1)^2 + 3(v2)^2 (2)

Inserting v1 from (1) into (2):

4v^2 = (-2v-3(v2))^2 + 3(v2)^2
4v^2 = 4v^2 + 12v(v2) + 9(v2)^2 + 3(v2)^2
-12v(v2) = 12 (v2)^2

and finally (dividing by (v2) and 12),
(v2)=-v

plugging (v2)=-v into (2) to come up with:
(v1)= v

It doesn't even make sense or look right and I have been trying to determine where I have made a mistake for days! :confused: :confused:
Thanks for any help...
 
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You only have one of the solutions, namely the one where they fail to interact. The other solution is v2=0, v1=-2v.
 
Wow, you really caught my mistake!
I understand now, instead of dividing by (v2) I should have brought -12v(v2) to the other side and factored to find (v2). Thanks a bunch.
 
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