Vectors: cross product question

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The discussion revolves around the cross product of vectors, specifically how to solve for one vector when given the others in the context of calculating a dipole moment from torque and an electric field. The original poster presents a scenario involving vectors a, b, and c, where a is defined as the cross product of b and c.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the vectors and the implications of the cross product, questioning the validity of dividing vectors. There is discussion about the orthogonality of vectors and the use of dot products to verify this property. The original poster also expresses confusion regarding the application of their class notes to the specific problem of finding the dipole moment.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing insights into vector properties and others seeking clarification on the application of the cross product in the context of the dipole moment. There is an acknowledgment of variable name changes to maintain consistency in the discussion.

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The original poster mentions constraints related to their class notes, specifically that they have examples of torque but not dipole moments. There is also a reference to the specific conditions of the problem, including the electric field's magnitude and angle, as well as the torque acting on the needle.

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If a, b, and c are vectors, and a=b x c, and a and c are known, how do I solve for b?

b=a/c ? I don't think we've covered diving vectors, and since the cross-product is a special case of multiplying vectors (as opposed to dot product), I'm not sure this is allowed anyway.

I'm trying to compute dipole moment, given a torque and an electric field. In my above example, a is torque, and c is electric field. I need to solve for b.

Thanks!
 
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We know that a is orthogonal to vector b & c, hence the cross product. So, one way to know if two vectors are orthogonal is proving that the dot product is 0.

Let b=<b_1,b_2,b_3>

b\cdot(b \ x \ c)=0

There should be a property and perhaps an example on how to do this operation. If you are unable to find it, let me know and I will show you.
 
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Thanks for your reply.

There are similar examples in our notes where we find the torque, but not the dipole moment. At first glance, this looked like an easy problem. I'm a little confused by the direction you're going, since "a" has not been used.

I'm going to change the variables from a b & c to t (torque), p (dipole moment), and E (electric field) just to be consistent. (t is actually tau, but you get the point).
A needle suspended from a string hangs horizontally. The electric field at the needle’s location is horizontal with a magnitude 3.7*103 N/C and is at an angle of 30° with the needle. There is no net electrical force acting on the needle, but the string exerts a torque of 3.7*10-3 to hold the needle in equilibrium. What is the needle’s dipole moment?

so
t=3.7*10-3
E= 3.7*103 , 30°
solve for p

And from class notes,
t= p x E
 
What are the points for vectors a & c? And I am using a, it's (b x c).
 
sorry, I switched the variable names. a became t. b became p, and c became E.
So we bave t = p x E. Solve for p, with t and E given.
 

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