Very Quick momentum equation question

  • Thread starter Thread starter crimsonn
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Momentum
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem in momentum and elastic collisions, specifically involving two masses where one is initially at rest. The original poster seeks a quick method to solve for the velocities after the collision using conservation principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply conservation of momentum and kinetic energy but expresses concern about the complexity due to the quadratic nature of the equations. They inquire about the use of determinants in this context.
  • Some participants suggest using the conservation of relative velocity as a potentially simpler approach, while others recommend solving in the center-of-mass frame before returning to the original frame.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring various methods to approach the problem, with some suggesting alternative strategies that may simplify the calculations. There is no explicit consensus on a single method, but several productive directions have been proposed.

Contextual Notes

The original poster appears to be under time constraints, seeking a quick solution, and is grappling with the mathematical complexity of the problem. There is mention of prior instruction regarding determinants, indicating a possible educational context.

crimsonn
Messages
28
Reaction score
0
A ball of mass 0.440 kg moving east with a speed of 3.70 m/s collides head-on with a 0.220-kg mass at rest. If the collision is perfectly elastic, what is the speed and direction of each ball after the collision?

momentum conservation:
m1v1 + m2v2 = m1v1¢ + m2v2¢;
(0.440 kg)(3.70 m/s) + (0.220 kg)(0) = (0.440 kg)v1¢ + (0.220 kg)v2¢.
1.628 kg m/s = (0.440 kg)v1¢ + (0.220 kg)v2¢

elastic, kinetic energy is constant:
½ m1 v21 + ½m2 v22 = ½ m1v1’2 + ½ m2v2’2,
½ (0.440 kg)(3.70 m/s)2 + 0 = ½ (0.440 kg)v1’2 + ½ (0.220 kg)v2’2
6.02 kg m2/s2 = (0.440 kg)v1’2 + (0.220 kg)v2’2


Whats the quickest way to solve with 2 variables? This one gets a little messy because of the velocity squares.

My teacher was talking about using a derterminant. Could I use one for this question? If not, can you please given an example of a problem in which I can use one?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
The easiest way is to use the "conservation" of the relative velocity instead of the cons of energy. If follows from conservation of energy in the general form, combined with cons of momentum.
v1-v2 = -(v1'-v2') (all vectors). Relative velocity is reversed but it has the same magnitude.

If you did not see this before, you'll have to solve the quadratic equation.
Determinants are used in general for solving linear equations.
 
Last edited:
Solve this first in the center-of-mass frame of reference, and then work back to the original frame of reference.
 
nasu said:
The easiest way is to use the "conservation" of the relative velocity instead of the cons of energy. If follows from conservation of energy in the general form, combined with cons of momentum.
v1-v2 = -(v1'-v2') (all vectors). Relative velocity is reversed but it has the same magnitude.

If you did not see this before, you'll have to solve the quadratic equation.
Determinants are used in general for solving linear equations.



wow. thank you. that was actually a very simple problem. I made it more complicated than it was.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
7K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
1K
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K