Virtual work in Atwood's machine

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The discussion focuses on the application of Lagrange's equations to the Atwood's machine, specifically addressing why the tension in the rope can be ignored. It is clarified that the constraint is holonomic, meaning the forces do work, but their sum is zero due to the constraint equation. The only external force acting is gravity, which is conservative, simplifying the analysis. The participants explore the formal deduction of the constraint forces being zero, emphasizing the role of the massless, frictionless pulley in justifying the constraint. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding constraints in mechanical systems for accurate application of Lagrangian mechanics.
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The first chapter in Goldstein's Classical Mechanics ends with 3 examples about how to apply Lagrange's eqs. to simple problems. The second example is about the Atwood's machine. The book says that the tension of the rope can be ignored, but I don't understand why. The two masses can move vertically and the constraining forces (one on each mass) have the same vertical direction so shouldn't they do virtual work?
 
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The constraint is holonomic: forces do work, but the sum of the work is zero by virtue of the constraint equation.
 
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In the case of the Atwood's machine the motion is one-dimensional and you have only one coordinate, which by the way, is your generalized coordinate.

The only external force is gravity, which is conservative. There follows the calculations.
 
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The constraint is holonomic: forces do work, but the sum of the work is zero by virtue of the constraint equation.

OK, thanks. I was confused by the remark "This trivial problem emphasizes that the forces of constraint--here the tension in the rope--appear nowhere in the Lagrangian formulation."
Let's say I want to be extremely formal. How would I proceed? The constraint is ##x_1+x_2=l##, where ##x_i## is the position of the ##i##-th mass. How do I deduce from that, analytically, that the sum of the constraint forces is ##0##?

edit: On second thought, I think the pulley is there just to physically justify the constraint. The pulley is massless and frictionless so the text of the problem is basically saying to ignore it and identify it with the constraint.
 
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