Water and Ice mixture, Find original temperature of water

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An 8 cm³ ice cube at 0.00 °C is added to 3 dL of juice, causing the juice's temperature to drop to 3.00 °C after the ice melts. The energy balance equation is set up based on the principle that the energy gained by the ice equals the energy lost by the juice. The specific heat of water and the latent heat of fusion for ice are provided for calculations. The main confusion arises around the correct application of temperature change (ΔT) in the energy equations, specifically whether it should be (Tfinal - Tinitial) or the reverse. Ultimately, the calculated initial temperature of the juice is approximately 5 °C, despite doubts about the practicality of this result.
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Homework Statement


An 8 cm3 ice cube (temperature = 0.00 °C) is dropped into a glass with 3 dL juice which results in the ice cube being melted. By doing this, the juice drops to a temperature of 3.00 °C. What was the temperature of the juice before the ice cube was added? (Treat juice as water in this assignment. The density for ice is 920
kg/m3
. Assume no energy is lost to the surroundings).

ice
m1=(920)(8E-6) = 7.36E-3
T1=0 C

juice=water
m2=(1000)(0.3) = 0.3kg
T0water=?

mixture
Tfinal=3°C

Homework Equations


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Q=mcΔT
H=mLf

The Attempt at a Solution


Energy gained by ice = Energy lost by water

(Ice → Water0C) + (Water0C → Water3C) = Waterinitial → Water3C

m1Lf+m1c(T3-T0) = m2c(Tinitial-T3)
m1[Lf+c(T3-T0)]/m2c=Tinitial-T3

I am not sure whether in the case of water ΔT is (Tfinal-Tinitial) or vice versa.
I get either a negative temperature, which is bs, or after swapping them around Tinitial= 5°C which I do not quite believe, because who would want to cool down water by 2°C?!

Please help, I am on the verge of questioning my sanity after spending more than an hour on this...
(One year ago it would've been no problem for me, but after a year of little to no physics my brain went ..dumb :D)
 
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There are a c and a Lf in this calculation; what are the numerical values you use ?
And yes, one cube for 3 dl isn't much...
 
Method looks ok. Show your working.
 
values from google or specific tables
cwater= 4180 J/KgK
Lfice= 334E3 J/Kg

Working? Like substituting in the numbers? I mentioned the results I got after having substituted. One was negative, close to -1 and the other was 5 after swapping the final and initial in
Can you please focus on the question whether in the case of water/juice ΔT is (Tfinal-Tinitial) or (Tinitial-Tfinal)

http://www4c.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP28701i007f2a3h8b607b000022ab0bhbac85297h?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=30 =5.03
http://www4c.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP7451i161d717h0b1gbe00004g3egf9d7604ce93?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=61 =-0.97
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Moon_tm said:
Tinitial= 5°C which I do not quite believe, because who would want to cool down water by 2°C?!
As BvU observes, that is not much ice for 300mL of drink.
Moon_tm said:
(Tfinal-Tinitial) or (Tinitial-Tfinal)
Make a decision, which makes sense to you? Remember ΔQwater=-ΔQice.
 
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