Wave Packet Expansion Homework - Understand Abbreviations

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The discussion revolves around the expansion of a wave packet in the context of quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the Fourier transform and Taylor expansion of the wave function. Participants are trying to understand the implications of the notation and the mathematical expressions related to wave packets and their behavior as classical particles.

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  • Participants discuss the use of a multivariable Taylor expansion and question the variables involved in the expansion. There are inquiries about the notation used for wave vectors and the assumptions made in the text regarding the wave packet's behavior.

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The discussion is active, with participants seeking clarification on specific mathematical details and notation. Some have made progress in understanding the concepts, while others continue to explore the implications of the equations presented in the original post.

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Participants are navigating through the complexities of vector calculus and the implications of setting certain variables to zero in the context of the Fourier transform. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions made in the original text regarding the wave packet's properties.

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The text states:
"Let us consider a wave packet whose Fourier inverse ##\phi (\vec{k})## is appreciably different from zero only in a limited range ##\Delta \vec{k}## near the mean wave vector ##\hbar \vec{\bar{k}} ##. In coordinate space, the wave packet ##\psi(\vec{r}, t)## must move approximately like a classical free particle with mean momentum ##\hbar \vec{\bar{k}}##. To see this behavior we expand ##\omega (\vec{k})## about ##\vec{\bar{k}}##:

## \omega (\vec{k}) = \omega(\vec{\bar{k}}) + (\vec{k} - \vec{\bar{k}}) \cdot (\vec{\nabla_k} \omega)_{k= \vec{\bar{k}}} + ...##

##=\bar{\omega} + (\vec{k} - \vec{\bar{k}})\cdot \vec{\nabla_{\bar{k}}} \bar{\omega} +... ## with obvious abbreviations"

I'm afraid not much of the above is obvious to me ... have searched all over but no progress ... please help me understand -

What expansion are they using and where do they get it from?
What are the abbreviations mentioned?
 
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A multivariable Taylor expansion has been used.

##\omega \left( \bar{k} \right)## has been abbreviated to ##\bar{\omega}##.
 
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George Jones said:
A multivariable Taylor expansion has been used.
##\omega \left( \bar{k} \right)## has been abbreviated to ##\bar{\omega}##.
Thanks George, a couple of things still puzzle me:
1. what is the 2nd variable? Is it ##\vec{\bar{k}}## ... how can they expand about a variable (##\vec{\bar{k}}##) if it is?
2. the text talks earlier about the width/spread of the wave packet as ##k_x - \bar{k}##, shouldn't that be ##|k_x - \bar{k}|## to keep both sides positive? (its a length)
 
ognik said:
1. what is the 2nd variable? Is it ##\vec{\bar{k}}## ...

No.

If you post the Taylor expansion of a function of three variables in the form that appears in a calculus text, then we can discuss how the form in the original post is exactly the same.
 
Thanks, I'm assuming we are talking about 2 variables, then the expansion is:

## f(x,y,z) = f(a,b,c) + (x-a)f_x(a,b,c) + (y-b)f_y(a,b,c) + (z-c)f_z(a,b,c) + \frac{1}{2!} ## [quadratic and higher terms - which are ignored bu the text]
 
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ognik said:
Thanks, I'm assuming we are talking about 2 variables

No, three variables are needed. Don't worry about retyping the expansion.

One more thing: Are you familiar with vector calculus and the gradient, divergence, and curl operations?
 
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Thanks George, Edited original, and am familiar with those operators
 
The three variables ##x##, ##y##, and ##z## can be thought of as comprising one vector, i.e., ##\vec{r} = \left( x,y,z \right)## and ##\vec{r_0} = \left( a,b,c \right)##. Then ##f\left( x,y,z \right)## and ##f\left( a,b,c \right)## become ##f \left(\vec{r}\right)## and ##f \left(\vec{r_0}\right)##.

Also, ##\vec{r} - \vec{r_0} = \left( x - a,y-b,z-c \right)## and the gradient of ##f## evaluated (gradient first, then evaluation) at ##\vec{r_0} = \left( a,b,c \right)## is the vector

$$\left(\nabla f\right)_{\vec{r_0}} = \left( f_x \left( a,b,c \right), f_y \left( a,b,c \right), f_z \left( a,b,c \right) \right).$$

Consequently,

$$\left( \vec{r} - \vec{r_0} \right) \cdot \left(\nabla f\right)_{\vec{r_0}} = \left(x - a\right) f_x \left( a,b,c \right) + \left(y - b\right) f_y \left( a,b,c \right) +\left(z - c\right) f_z \left( a,b,c \right), $$

and, in new mod attire, the Taylor expansion for ##f## that you posted becomes

$$f \left(\vec{r}\right) = f \left(\vec{r_0}\right) + \left( \vec{r} - \vec{r_0} \right) \cdot \left(\nabla f\right)_{\vec{r_0}} + ...$$

If anything in the above is unclear, let me know.
 
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Very helpful, thanks George, the chapter is now clear to me - I had been thinking only in 1-D along the x-axis
 
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afterthought question please, is my notation correct when I wrote ## \vec{\bar{k}} ## ? Or should it be ## \bar{\vec{k}} ## or something else?
 
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Apologies, spoke too soon.
The text has a common Fourier transform equation ## \psi (\vec{r},t) = \frac{1}{(2 \pi)^{\frac{3}{2}}} \int \phi (\vec{k}) e^{i(\vec{k} \cdot \vec{r} - \omega t)} d^3k ##
They substitute ## \omega(\vec{k})=\bar{\omega} + (\vec{k} - \vec{\bar{k}})\cdot \vec{\nabla_{\bar{k}}} \bar{\omega} +... ## into the above, and get a result I can't get - ## \psi (\vec{r},t) = exp(-i \bar{\omega}t + i \bar{\vec{k}} \cdot \nabla_{\bar{k}} \bar{\omega}t) \psi(\vec{r} - \nabla_{\bar{k}}t, 0) ##

I instead get as far as ## \frac{e^{-i \bar{\omega}t}} {(2 \pi)^\frac{3}{2}} \int \phi(\vec{k}) e^{i (\vec{k} \cdot \vec{r} - \vec{k}
\nabla_{\bar{k}} \bar{\omega}t + \bar{k} {\nabla}_{\bar{k}} \bar{\omega}t) } d^3k ##

Could you help me bridge that gap please?
 
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I have reviewed this and made more progress, still can't quite see all of it.
If I extract ## exp(-i \bar{\omega}t + i \bar{\vec{k}} \cdot \nabla_{\bar{k}} \bar{\omega}t) ## I am left with something close to the original FT, except it looks like

## \frac{1}{(2 \pi)^{\frac{3}{2}}} \int \phi (\vec{k}) e^{i(\vec{k} \cdot \vec{r} - \vec{k}\nabla_{\bar{k}} \bar{\omega}t)} d^3k ##

The text says this latter ## = \psi(\vec{r} - \nabla_{\bar{k}} \bar{\omega}t, 0) ## - but the ## \vec{k} ## wasn't dotted with the ## \nabla ## term?

Also they set t=0, but then leave the t in the ## \nabla ## term?

Please try and explain this to me? Thanks
 
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ognik said:
I have reviewed this and made more progress, still can't quite see all of it.
If I extract ## exp(-i \bar{\omega}t + i \bar{\vec{k}} \cdot \nabla_{\bar{k}} \bar{\omega}t) ## I am left with something close to the original FT, except it looks like

## \frac{1}{(2 \pi)^{\frac{3}{2}}} \int \phi (\vec{k}) e^{i(\vec{k} \cdot \vec{r} - \vec{k}\nabla_{\bar{k}} \bar{\omega}t)} d^3k ##

The text says this latter ## = \psi(\vec{r} - \nabla_{\bar{k}} \bar{\omega}t, 0) ## - but the ## \vec{k} ## wasn't dotted with the ## \nabla ## term?

Also they set t=0, but then leave the t in the ## \nabla ## term?

Please try and explain this to me? Thanks
So, you have
$$
\exp(-i \bar{\omega}t + i \bar{\vec{k}} \cdot \nabla_{\bar{k}} \bar{\omega}t)
\frac{1}{(2 \pi)^{\frac{3}{2}}} \int \phi (\vec{k}) e^{i(\vec{k} \cdot \vec{r} - \vec{k}\cdot \nabla_{\bar{k}} \bar{\omega}t)} d^3k
$$
Note that ##\vec{k}## is dotted with ##\nabla_{\bar{k}} \bar{\omega}## in the integrand. The integral can further be written as
$$
\int \phi (\vec{k}) e^{i\vec{k}\cdot(\vec{r} - \nabla_{\bar{k}} \bar{\omega}t)} d^3k
$$
At the same time you have the Fourier transform equation
$$
\psi (\vec{r},t) = \frac{1}{(2 \pi)^{\frac{3}{2}}} \int \phi (\vec{k}) e^{i(\vec{k} \cdot \vec{r} - \omega t)} d^3k
$$
If, in the above equation, you replace ##\vec{r}## with ##\vec{r} - \nabla_{\bar{k}} \bar{\omega}t## and ##t## with ##0##, you should see that
$$
\int \phi (\vec{k}) e^{i\vec{k}\cdot(\vec{r} - \nabla_{\bar{k}} \bar{\omega}t)} d^3k = \psi (\vec{r} - \nabla_{\bar{k}} \bar{\omega}t,0).
$$
 
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Thanks blue_leaf.

1. Why can we set the t in (r, t) to 0, but leave the t in ##\Delta_{\bar{k}} \bar{\omega}t ## ?

2. is my notation correct when I wrote ## \vec{\bar{k}} ## ? Or should it be ## \bar{\vec{k}} ##, or something else?
 
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ognik said:
1. Why can we set the t in (r, t) to 0, but leave the t in Δ¯k¯ωtΔk¯ω¯t\Delta_{\bar{k}} \bar{\omega}t ?
You are simply comparing
$$
\int \phi (\vec{k}) e^{i\vec{k}\cdot(\vec{r} - \nabla_{\bar{k}} \bar{\omega}t)} e^{-i\omega (0)}d^3k
$$
with
$$
\int \phi (\vec{k}) e^{i\vec{k} \cdot \vec{r}} e^{-i\omega t} d^3k
$$
ognik said:
2. is my notation correct when I wrote ⃗¯kk¯→ \vec{\bar{k}} ? Or should it be ¯⃗kk→¯ \bar{\vec{k}} , or something else?
I don't know if that really matters, but I personally would use the second one.
 
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