Wave Problem (time for a point to move half a wavelength)

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a wave described by the equation y(x, t) = (6.0 mm) sin(kx + (600 rad/s)t + θ) and focuses on determining the time it takes for a point on a string to move between specific displacements of +2.0 mm and -2.0 mm. Participants are exploring the implications of wave motion and the relationship between displacement and time.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to relate the displacement of a point on the string to its position and time, questioning how the x-coordinate of a point is defined in the context of wave motion. There is confusion regarding whether the x-coordinate changes with time or remains constant for a given point.

Discussion Status

Some participants have expressed confusion about the relationship between time and the x-coordinate of a point on the string, while others are clarifying that each point on the string is defined by a single x-coordinate. The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the definitions and assumptions related to wave motion, particularly how displacement relates to time and position along the string. There is a mention of a solution manual that assumes certain conditions, which has led to further questioning of those assumptions.

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Homework Statement


If a wave y(x, t) = (6.0 mm) sin(kx + (600 rad/s)t + θ) travels along a string, how much time does any given point on the string take to move between displacements y=+2.0 mm and y=-2.0 mm?

Homework Equations


ω=2πf (but it's not necessary in this problem, this problem just requires algebra, I think)

The Attempt at a Solution



For a point to travel between y=+2.0mm to y=-2.0mm, the distance x is (y_2 - y_1)/(2A)* 0.5λ = 1/6 λ (This is what I think since if it's 6.00mm (amplitude) to -6.00mm (-amplitude) it'll be 0.5λ)

So, x_2 = x_1 + (1/6) λ

So, I write equation for (x_1,t_1) and (x_1 + (1/6) λ, t_2)

6 sin(kx_1 + 600t_1 + θ) = 2 => kx_1 + 600t_1 + θ = arc sin (2/6) ...... (1)
6 sin(k(x_1 + λ/6) + 600t_2 + θ) = -2 => kx_1 + π/3 + 600t_2 + θ = arc sin (-2/6) ...... (2)

Subtracting (2) and (1), we get

600 (t_2 - t_1) + π/3 = -0,6796

t_2 - t_1 = -2.8781 * 10^-3 sWhere did I get wrong? Why t_2 - t_1 is negative though I have relate x_2 to x_1?
I see the solution manual the answer is 0.011 s, but it assumes that x_1 = x_2, and it subtracts (1) and (2), NOT (2) and (1). I really don't get it. As long as the time ticks, the position of the point changes so the x changes, right ?
 
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terryds said:
I see the solution manual the answer is 0.011 s, but it assumes that x_1 = x_2, As long as the time ticks, the position of the point changes so the x changes, right ?

A point on the string is defined by a single x-coordinate. If you have two different x-coordinates then you have two different points on the string.
 
PeroK said:
A point on the string is defined by a single x-coordinate. If you have two different x-coordinates then you have two different points on the string.

So, does it mean that x-coordinate of point traveling in a wave doesn't depend on the time? I'm confused.

Or, does the x in the wave formula means the initial x-coordinate (t=0) of a point, not x-coordinate as function of t?
 
terryds said:
So, does it mean that x-coordinate of point traveling in a wave doesn't depend on the time? I'm confused.

Or, does the x in the wave formula means the initial x-coordinate (t=0) of a point, not x-coordinate as function of t?

If you have a wave in a string, each point in the string moves up and down. That is, each particle in the string is moving up and down. The string itself isn't moving in the direction of the wave.

PS
##y = f(x, t)## tells you the "vertical" displacement, ##y##, of each point in the string, ##x##, at each time, ##t##.
 
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terryds said:
So, does it mean that x-coordinate of point traveling in a wave doesn't depend on the time? I'm confused.

Or, does the x in the wave formula means the initial x-coordinate (t=0) of a point, not x-coordinate as function of t?

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terryds said:
how much time does any given point on the string take to move between displacements y=+2.0 mm and y=-2.0 mm?
 
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