Wavelength of Photons: 3-2 Transition

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the energy levels between which photons are transitioning, specifically focusing on the 3-2 transition in the context of a homework problem involving photon wavelength and energy calculations. The scope includes theoretical and mathematical reasoning related to quantum mechanics and atomic transitions.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant poses a question about identifying the energy levels corresponding to a given wavelength and energy change.
  • Another participant suggests that the photon with the lowest energy and longest wavelength corresponds to the 3 to 2 transition, but seeks clarification on how this conclusion is reached.
  • A participant introduces the Rydberg formula for calculating energy levels but initially uses an incorrect version of the equation.
  • There is a correction regarding the appropriate formula to use for energy transitions, with a suggestion to refer to external resources for clarification.
  • A later reply indicates that the calculated result from the Rydberg formula is incorrect, suggesting possible errors in unit usage and calculations.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the energy levels and the calculations involved, with one participant questioning the clarity of the original problem statement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to solving the problem, with multiple competing views on the appropriate equations and methods to use for determining the energy levels of the photon transitions.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of missing assumptions regarding units and the specific context of the energy levels being discussed. Some calculations appear to be unresolved or incorrect, leading to further confusion in the discussion.

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Homework Statement



Between which energy levels are the photons in this line transitioning?

Wavelength= 660 * 10^-9 m
Change in energy = 3.01 * 10^-9

A. 4 and 2
B. 3 and 2
C. 3 and 1
D. 2 and 1

Homework Equations



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E is energy, h is Planck's constant (6.63 x 10-34 J s), f is frequency, c is the speed of light (3.00* 10^8 m/s), and λ is wavelength.

The Attempt at a Solution


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Ok, so I could solve for frequency using either of these equations with the given info, but how would that help me determine which energy levels the photons are transitioning from?

Answer: The photon with the lowest energy and longest wavelength corresponds to the 3 to 2 transition.
(there were 3 other lines of given data, the line in this question was the lowest energy and longest wavelength)
How can you tell that the photon with the lowest energy and longest wavelength corresponds to the 3 to 2 transition?
 
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Hint: none of the equations you listed is the one you need.

Do you know of any equation that uses energy level numbers (principal quantum numbers) to calculate wavelength (or frequency) of the photon?
 
E= - Rh/ n^2,

where E is the energy of the electron and Rh is the Rydberg constant (2.18 * 10^-18)

3.01 * 10^-9= -(2.18 * 10^-18)/ n^2
n^2= 7.24 * 10^-10
n= 2.69 * 10^-5

I don't really know of other equations to use :(
 
Rydberg is a correct name, but the formula you have used is not the one you need (although it is a specific version of the correct one). Please recheck your notes or book. Or visit wikipedia.
 
Thank you. maybe this equation:
Energy of electron transition= -Rh ( 1/ ni^2 - 1/ nf^2)
where ni and nf are the intial and final principal quantum numbers3.01 * 10^-9= -(2.18 * 10^-18) * (1/ ni^2 - 1/ nf^2)

3.01 * 10^-9= -(2.18 * 10^-18) * (1/ 3^2 - 1/ nf^2)

3.01 * 10^-9= -(2.18 * 10^-18) * (1/ 9 - 1/ nf^2)

-7.24 * 10^-10= (1/ 9 - 1/ nf^2)

-7.24 * 10^-10= 1/ 9 - 1/ nf^2

-6.52 * 10^-9= - 1/ nf^2

153414882.8= nf^2

nf= 12386
 
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Yes, Rydberg formula is definitely the one to use.

The result you got is wrong, which is rather obvious - the answer should be a small integer. It is hard to say what went wrong, my bet is that you have use incorrect units. Hard to tell not seeing them, please always list units in your calculations, as they are a key to getting a correct answer.
 
Between which energy levels of what ?
 
my2cts said:
Between which energy levels of what ?

Energy levels of an electron... I was just copying down the question :)
 
The energy you calculated (I'm assuming it's in units of joules) is ##10^{10}## times too large.
 

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