Waves having energy with no mass

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Waves, particularly light and gamma rays, possess energy despite having no rest mass, which aligns with the principles of mass-energy equivalence. The equation E=mc² does not fully encompass the behavior of massless particles; instead, the complete relationship is expressed as E² = (pc)² + (mc²)². Photons, including gamma rays, carry momentum, which contributes to their energy even in the absence of mass. When light is contained in a mirrored box, the system's mass increases slightly due to the energy of the light, demonstrating that energy can influence mass. This illustrates the nuanced relationship between energy, mass, and momentum in physics.
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Waves have energy without mass which can't be true in Einstein's equation
E=mc2
If you work out that E=0 (mass of waves) times 300,000 c2
then its zero.

Please can someone tell me why waves can have energy but without mass which in einstein's equation cannot be right.

Thank you

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Scimaster said:
Waves have energy without mass which can't be true in Einstein's equation
E=mc2
The proper equation is
$$
E^2 = (p c)^2 + (m c^2)^2
$$

I guess that when you talk about "waves without mass," you mean light (photons). Photons have momentum, ##p^2 >0 ##, so ##E^2 > 0##.
 
I was talking about Gamma rays where they have energy without mass
 
Scimaster said:
I was talking about Gamma rays where they have energy without mass
It's electromagnetic radiation, so my reply stands. Gamma ray photons have momentum, thus energy.
 
Scimaster said:
I was talking about Gamma rays where they have energy without mass

Gamma radiation, like all electromagnetic radiation, has energy and no rest mass - but it's not at rest. If you were to take a box with a perfectly mirrored interior, so that light would bounce back and forth inside... Its mass will be very slightly greater if there is light bouncing back and forth inside than if there were not. As the light is absorbed its energy will be absorbed into the walls of the box as heat, and the mass of the box will not change bevause there's still the same amount of energy in the box.
 
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