We *already built* the light water breeder?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the historical and technical aspects of light water thorium breeder reactors, particularly the Shippingport Atomic Power Station's achievements and why such reactors have not been adopted commercially today. Participants explore the implications of thorium as a fuel source compared to uranium, the challenges faced in transitioning from experimental to commercial use, and the economic factors influencing reactor design choices.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Shippingport demonstrated successful thorium breeding but question why this technology was not further developed for commercial use.
  • Others argue that transitioning from demonstration to economically practical reactors is complex, citing production difficulties and lack of promotion as significant barriers.
  • A participant highlights that the core and fuel of the thorium reactor were not radically different from current designs, raising questions about the lack of further development.
  • Concerns are raised about the economic viability of thorium compared to uranium, with some suggesting that established uranium reactors have advantages in cost and licensing.
  • Some participants discuss the potential benefits of thorium, such as reduced long-lived actinides in waste and the possibility of higher burnup, but question whether these translate into economic advantages.
  • There is a mention of misconceptions regarding thorium as a "superfuel," with participants debating the actual benefits and challenges associated with its use.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and advantages of thorium as a fuel source compared to uranium. While some acknowledge thorium's potential benefits, others remain skeptical about its economic viability and practicality in commercial power generation. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the reasons for the lack of development of thorium breeder reactors.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in understanding the historical context and technical challenges faced by thorium breeder reactors. Participants note the complexity of transitioning from experimental reactors to commercially viable designs, as well as the influence of existing uranium reactor technologies on market decisions.

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I will comment that all this is because India, china and other developing countries have no other (financially viable) options compared to USA, after these countries have used most of their water for dams. In USA the government may have more options like wind (or still it may not have been fully harnessed). At his point I I have in my mind the two pictures. In first picture an Indian supervisor at construction site had wrapped a piece of car seat foam around his head as a safety helmet. In other a Chinese welder wrapped a transparent shopping bag around his face as a mask...
 

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