Weyl Curvature, Mach's Principle, and Heisenberg Uncertainty?

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of Weyl curvature, which can exist independently of matter or energy in the universe. This seems to contradict Heisenberg uncertainty and Mach's principle, which suggest that matter-energy determines the geometry of space-time. The Weyl tensor measures tidal distortion and can be split into the Ricci tensor and the conformal traceless Weyl tensor. The Einstein tensor, which is related to the Weyl tensor, is the only contraction that obeys the Bianchi identities. This suggests that a universe without matter could still have energy distortions, leading to a non-zero Weyl tensor. However, this idea is incompatible with classical general relativity and quantum mechanics.
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Russell E. Rierson
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I have been reading that the quantity called "Weyl curvature" can exist independently of any matter, or energy, in the universe? :confused:

This seems to contradict Heisenberg uncertainty which says there can be no 100% vacuum, because uncertainty in position and uncertainty in momentum must be greater than zero:

DxDp >= [Planck's constant]/[2*pi]

Mach's principle seems to say that the distribution of matter-energy determines the geometry of space-time, and if there is no matter-energy then there is no geometry.

The Weyl tensor vanishes for a constant curvature if there are no
tidal forces. So it appears that a Weyl curvature, which is described
as 1/2 of the Riemann curvature tensor[where it is split into two
parts, the Ricci tensor and the Weyl tensor] is dependent on
matter-energy -"existing" in the universe also?



Thanks for the help.
 
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Your forgetting about the incompatability between GR and QM
 
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keebs said:
Your forgetting about the incompatability between GR and QM

Thanks yes, classical GR and QM are incompatable, if my interpretation is correct.

The various GR books, seem to explain that the Weyl tensor Cabcd measures tidal distortion.

They start with the 256 = 4^4 component tensor Rabcd, and then impose the symmetries required by curvature Rabcd = R[ab][cd] = R[cd][ab] and
R[abcd] = 0 and Ra[bcd] = 0

Then the Riemann curvature tensor Rabcd has 20 independent components.

Decompose Rabcd into the 10-component symmetric Ricci tensor Rab and the 10-component conformal traceless Weyl tensor Cabcd. Then the Einstein tensor Gab is given by Gab = R_ab - (1/2)R, where R is the scalar curvature?

The Riemann curvature tensor Rabcd obeys the Bianchi identities, and the Einstein tensor Gab is the only contraction that obeys contracted Bianchi identities, which mean from a geometric perspective, that Eli Cartan's boundary of a boundary is zero?

It seems to me that a universe devoid of matter would have energy distortions allowing for uncertainty, giving a tidal distortion[gravity waves? quantum foams?] and hence, a non-zero Weyl tensor?
 
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What is Weyl Curvature?

Weyl curvature is a mathematical concept in physics that describes the curvature of spacetime. It is named after the German mathematician Hermann Weyl and is a fundamental component of Einstein's theory of general relativity.

What is Mach's Principle?

Mach's Principle is a controversial idea proposed by physicist Ernst Mach that suggests the inertia of an object is influenced by the mass distribution of the rest of the universe. In other words, the motion of an object depends on the distribution of matter in the universe.

What is Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle?

The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is a fundamental principle in quantum mechanics that states that the precise position and momentum of a particle cannot be simultaneously determined. In other words, the more accurately we know the position of a particle, the less accurately we can know its momentum, and vice versa.

How are Weyl Curvature, Mach's Principle, and Heisenberg Uncertainty related?

These concepts are all related to the fundamental nature of spacetime and the behavior of particles within it. Weyl Curvature describes the curvature of spacetime, which is influenced by the distribution of matter, as proposed by Mach's Principle. Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, on the other hand, explains the limitations of our ability to measure these properties accurately.

How do these principles impact our understanding of the universe?

These principles play a crucial role in our understanding of the universe and the behavior of matter and energy within it. They help explain the nature of gravity, the behavior of particles on a quantum level, and the structure of spacetime. They also have implications for the nature of time, the origin and evolution of the universe, and the possibility of a unified theory of physics.

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