What are all the functions that satisfy (Calculus II)

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The problem involves finding all functions \( f(x) \) that satisfy the equation \( \left(\int f(x)dx\right)\left(\int \frac{1}{f(x)} dx\right) = -1 \). The discussion is centered around calculus concepts, particularly integration and differential equations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss various attempts to manipulate the original equation, including taking derivatives and considering constants of integration. There are questions about the implications of taking square roots and how to handle absolute values. Some participants suggest that more solutions may exist beyond the initially proposed functions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing different perspectives on the problem. Some have offered alternative approaches, such as differentiating both sides of an equation, while others are questioning the validity of certain steps taken in the original poster's reasoning. There is an acknowledgment of the need for further exploration of solutions.

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Participants note the importance of constants of integration and the potential for additional solutions arising from the properties of square roots. The mention of ordinary differential equations (ODEs) introduces another layer of complexity to the problem, suggesting that there may be systematic methods to explore.

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The problem:
(\int f(x)dx)(\int \frac{1}{f(x)} dx) = -1
solve for f(x)

The attempt at a solution

divide both sides by integral(f(x)dx):
\int \frac{1}{f(x)} dx = \frac{-1}{\int f(x)dx}

took derivative of both sides:
\frac{1}{f(x)} = \frac{f(x)}{(\int f(x) dx)^2}

multiplied both sides by f(x):
1 = \frac{f(x)^2}{(\int f(x) dx)^2}

square root:
1 = \frac{f(x)}{\int f(x) dx}

Now, here I applied L'Hopital's incorrectly (this isn't even a limit I know!) by taking derivative of top and bottom on the right side; it seemed to work later that's why I tried to stick with it:
1 = \frac{f'(x)}{f(x)}

took antiderivative of both sides...
x = ln|f(x)|

e^x = |f(x)|

f(x) = e^x and -e^x

when plugging those two answers into the original equation it seems to work...
but something isn't right and anyway there is no way that only those two functions satisfy that. help?

(first time trying to use the tex tags so i have my fingers crossed that I did not make a mistake in formatting..)
 
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When you took an antiderivative there is a constant of integration possible. So ln(|f(x)|)=x+C. Now what? Also when you took the square root, the square root of 1 could also be -1. That gives you more solutions.
 
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And actually the use of l'Hopital is completely incorrect. It's not even a limit. Do it this way. When you get to integral(f(x))^2=f(x)^2, just differentiate both sides and cancel the f(x). Then differentiate again. Much simpler. Now you just have the differential equation d^2(f(x))/dx^2=f(x).
 
However, I am unsure how a -1 will give me more answers. when taking the square root of both sides, it would become:

\frac{|f(x)|}{|\int f(x) dx|} = (negative?)1

sorry, but can you elaborate, by including -e^x in the answer (from the absolute value another step or two down), how is that excluding anything?

As far as the constants go, we could bring them both to the right side, bringing us e^{ln|f(x)| + c} = e^c * |f(x)| we could just call that constant e^c = k bring it to the left side thus making the answer ke^x and -ke^x
 
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Um, how about e^(-x)?? You are missing stuff related to those. Like I said, if you reduce the problem to f''=f there are ODE type techniques to handle that.
 
sorry, but can you elaborate?
ODE type techniques?
 
Ordinary Differential Equations. More systematic ways of doing the same thing you've been doing.
 

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