What Are Oxidation States & Why Do They Work?

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The discussion centers on the concept of oxidation states, with some participants questioning its validity and applicability. Despite being labeled as "contrived," oxidation states are still used because they help explain chemical behavior, particularly in redox reactions. Key points include the idea that molecules are electrically neutral and that charge conservation applies to all reactions, whether ionic or covalent. The conversation also touches on the specific case of copper sulfate and its varying oxidation states depending on copper's valency. Additionally, a side topic arises regarding the assessment of an antique dagger's age based on its rust, indicating a blend of chemistry and historical inquiry.
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I have read that the "idea of oxidation states is contrived." Why then do we use the idea and why does it work if it is not really the case? Why should we suppose everything acts like its ionic, etc?

Thanks. :smile:
 
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Cheman said:
I have read that the "idea of oxidation states is contrived." Why then do we use the idea and why does it work if it is not really the case? Why should we suppose everything acts like its ionic, etc?
I am not sure but I think it means that the compound Cupper Sulphate can have different oxidation states depending on the valency of copper.

Oxidation states is onyl related (as far as I know) to ionic bonding so the idea is not used (again, as far as I know) for covalent bonding.

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Cheman said:
I have read that the "idea of oxidation states is contrived." Why then do we use the idea and why does it work if it is not really the case? Why should we suppose everything acts like its ionic, etc?

Thanks. :smile:

It works because :
(1) Molecules are electrically neutral, no matter whether they are covalent or ionic,
(2) Charge is conserved in a reaction, irrespective of the nature of the constituents.
 
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