News What Caused the Recent Bombings in London?

[Mercator]

That is a nice scapegoat evo. but religion exist from the beginin of humankind adn terrorist act no more that 30 years or a little more.

Of course religions plays a role in the terrorist but it's not their main motivation. may be religion make them to do crazy acts like killing themselfs but their are mainly motivated by injustices comited by 1st world countrys, for example suporting and helping dictators who killed and tortured them, overtrowing democracys, taking all their natural resources and teching their kids that If out of 10 atheists, 5 are killed by 1 Muslim, 5 would be left. etc...

Burnsys, terror acts have been comitted in name of religions since the birth of religion. They used swords instead of plastci explosives, but it's still terror.

 

[pallidin]

I suppose what disturbs me the most with radical Muslim terrorist attacks is this:

If you do not believe and adhere to the radical Muslim scheme of thought, you are worthy of death.

 

[ron damon]

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20050701faessay84409/robert-s-leiken/europe-s-angry-muslims.html

Summary: Radical Islam is spreading across Europe among descendants of Muslim immigrants. Disenfranchised and disillusioned by the failure of integration, some European Muslims have taken up jihad against the West. They are dangerous and committed -- and can enter the United States without a visa.

 

[ron damon]

Something I read somewhere: the Socialist ultra-Leftist mayor of London has given dinners in honor of a leading Muslim cleric there who publicly and explicitly has called for the destruction of Israel and the extermination of its Jewish inhabitants, and for Jihad against the West, while Oriana Fallaci faces criminal prosecution for criticizing the Muslim worldview.

Everyday Muslims (and many in this very board) call America, Israel, Americans, Bush, the West, Christians, Jews, etc. the whole spectrum of hatred-inspired language, yet if you dare to talk about the many shortcomings of Muslim civilization one is immediately labeled a Fascist...

What does this mean?

 

[pattylou]

Everyday Muslims (and many in this very board) call America, Israel, Americans, Bush, the West, Christians, Jews, etc. the whole spectrum of hatred-inspired language, yet if you dare to talk about the many shortcomings of Muslim civilization one is immediately labeled a Fascist...

What does this mean?

It means that Muslims are currently seen as "the victims." It's psychology, and it's human, and it's the sort of support America enjoyed after being attacked, until Bush decided he'd rather be the aggressor.
At which point global good will, towards the US, evaporated.

If muslim nations took on the role of overt aggressor, you would see public sentiment change immediately.

 

[ron damon]

Since Muslims have no hope of winning a conventional war against the West, isn't terrorism their only alternative in waging a war they very desperately feel needs to be conducted?

But then, why do they feel this way? They'll give plenty of excuses, probably centering on W's policies. But the Iranian revolution happened under a very leftish Democratic administration, and hostilities have been sustained through many more US administrations with wildly diverging foreign policy styles...

Does it really come back to Israel? I need to buy a couple of history books from the period. But if the twin devils of the Jews and the Americans vanish from the minds of the oppressed and restless masses of greater Arabia, what is preventing them from overthrowing the oligarchies that live in luxury on their backs? Those despots are crafty fellows, they'll find one way or another to redirect the hopelessness of their subjects elsewhere...

Europe couldn't care less about the Jews that escaped their extermination efforts half a century ago, but America will not allow a second holocaust to occur... so what are our options? If everything fails, and the middle east slides further into despotism, poverty, desperation and Jihad, what options are we left with?

 

[pattylou]

Does it really come back to Israel? I need to buy a couple of history books from the period.

I've been reading a memoir: Reading Lolita in Tehran.May not be your taste, but goes through one educated Iranian woman's experience in the US and Iran, through the 70's, 80's, 90's. She currently teaches in the US on the east coast.

p.s. a major theme she draws in the Iranian revoution has less to do with Israel and more to do with fundamentalists resisting westernization of Iran. Obviously.

 

[GENIERE]

I just learned about this:

http://www.kingabdullah.jo/main2.php?page_id=464〈_hmka1=1

A condemnation of terrorism or the exaltation of Islam? I suppose I should acknowledge it as a condemnation but in another thread Bilal stated:

…Those people doing these attacks in the name of Islam, so I will never forgive them, I wish they will be annihilated completely and soon… they gave dirty image for our nations.

That works for me.

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[Anttech]

That's a very broad statement, I suppose you expect me to take your word for its validity. Seeing your previous post, I don't think I should.
How about you give us a specific example that we can discuss?
Do excuse me if I don't respond promptly as I'm going to spend the weekend away from home and it might take a while until I view this thread.

http://www.google.be/search?q=israe...&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&start=10&sa=N

take your pick, I am not anti-Jewish... My ex-girlfriend was Jewish, however I am anti injustice. When you have injustice, fustration will build and you will see, atrocities commited

Terrorism in any form is bad... Be it the Isrealie troops terror on the normal peace loving Palistines, or Al-quedas Terrorism in London a few days ago!

 

[ron damon]

Be it the Isrealie troops terror on the normal peace loving Palistines, or Al-quedas Terrorism in London a few days ago!

so you propose Jews pick up their things, leave Palestine, and go where?? Put yourself in their place. At least they don't deliberately target innocent men, women and children going to work or school in a public bus... the way I see it, that land does not belong to either Jews nor Palestinians, but is in dispute, and since both can't have it, and they can't live together, let it got to the most deserving people (the Jews in my estimation).

 

[Bilal]

First you can not claim that Palestinian (Muslims and Christian) who live in their homeland since centuries have no right to exist there! Otherwise you can ask the American to return back to Europe.

What about separation of the two communities: Jews areas for Israel and non Jews areas for Palestinian? What about democratic Palestine (as it was before Zionism and British occupation) with equal rights for all citizens: Muslims, Christian, Jews and non religious?

Do you support democracy and the freedom of nations to decide their future or fascism and ethic cleansing?

so you propose Jews pick up their things, leave Palestine, and go where?? Put yourself in their place. At least they don't deliberately target innocent men, women and children going to work or school in a public bus... the way I see it, that land does not belong to either Jews nor Palestinians, but is in dispute, and since both can't have it, and they can't live together, let it got to the most deserving people (the Jews in my estimation).

 

[ron damon]

Do you support... fascism and ethic cleansing?

I support a gentle stream running through a meadow covered with pretty daisies under clear and sunny skies...

 

[Art]

How does the middle east road map initiative suit? The fact it is equally unpopular with both Israel and Palestine suggests it it probably fair. Do you think?

 

[kat]

It is well documented that Isreal does not give the same rights to Non-Jews in Isreal as Jews...

It's also well documented that jews are not given the same rights in Arab countries that they are allowed to live in...oh, wait..erm which countries were those?
Oh, hey...by the way..do you think Palestinians who sell property to Jews should be beheaded? Also well documented.

 

[kat]

How does the middle east road map initiative suit? The fact it is equally unpopular with both Israel and Palestine suggests it it probably fair. Do you think?

I think it's fair, but not workable without international intervention. Which countries could do this? I think it would have to be countries that do not have a past history of Jewish persecution...and countries that will not be seen as a "Christian Crusader"...
Otherwise..only by Israel working unilaterally will there ever be progress. It appears that Sharon understands this.

 

[GENIERE]

It's also well documented that jews are not given the same rights in Arab countries that they are allowed to live in...oh, wait..erm which countries were those?
Oh, hey...by the way..do you think Palestinians who sell property to Jews should be beheaded? Also well documented.

And borrowing from Kat… It's also well documented that Palestinians are not given the same rights in Arab countries that they are allowed to live in...oh, wait..erm which countries were those? I think it might be Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Lebanon. Maybe these nations think they should wander in the dessert for forty years.


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[Smurf]

Did anyone else first wonder if this thread was about The Clash and wonder why it was in the political sub-forum?

 

[The Smoking Man]

Did anyone else first wonder if this thread was about The Clash and wonder why it was in the political sub-forum?

More like Jerry Springer doing his show in London a few years ago.

 

[Bilal]

Palestinian accepted road map initiative, for this reason they stop attacking Israel since more than 6 months, while Israel continue building settlements and stealing more lands in WB.

Gaza is only 5% of occupied Palestinian land, so their withdrawal is not enough as some people think. They should accept to withdraw completely to 1967 border.

How does the middle east road map initiative suit? The fact it is equally unpopular with both Israel and Palestine suggests it it probably fair. Do you think?

 

[Bilal]

You can add also that non Jews are not allowed to buy houses or Land in “pure” Jews towns in Israel even if they have Israeli nationality!

Jews are not allowed to buy Palestinian land because it is one -way process: Every Jews buy Palestinian land; this land is registered in the Zionist organization - Kern Kimit in Chicago as Jewish land forever! So nobody can sell it again to non Jews! This organization is established in 1907 as one of most important branches of Zionism and they still working hard to buy more and more lands and to register it as Jews land forever. Therefore people have the right to protect their country by preventing selling Lands for Zionists. It is sensitive topic because it is related to national security and future of next generation.

And borrowing from Kat… It's also well documented that Palestinians are not given the same rights in Arab countries that they are allowed to live in...oh, wait..erm which countries were those? I think it might be Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Lebanon. Maybe these nations think they should wander in the dessert for forty years.


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[kat]

Palestinian accepted road map initiative, for this reason they stop attacking Israel since more than 6 months, while Israel continue building settlements and stealing more lands in WB.

Lol, what planet are you on? There were 278 attacks in the first three weeks after the "road map" was supposedly implimented. They included Shots fired at towns and villages, Shots fired at military installations, Assaults/stabbings, Bombings, Mortar bombs, Hit and run attacks by vehicles, Bombs were found, Anti-tank missiles, Grenades and Rockets were used, and there were drive-by shootings and even terror attacks inside Israel.

Gaza is only 5% of occupied Palestinian land, so their withdrawal is not enough as some people think.

Riigght. I'm curious of something though. Do you think Israeli Arabs want to become a part of Palestine or would they prefer to continue that the land the occupy remain a part of Israel?

They should accept to withdraw completely to 1967 border.

Based on what? Sorry, but borders have not been drawn up or agreed upon and are not to be drawn up until later in the roadmap.

 

[Anttech]

Lol, what planet are you on?

He is on earth, and his location says "Palestine" which I would suggest is slightly closer to ME problems, than maine :-)

Do you think Israeli Arabs want to become a part of Palestine or would they prefer to continue that the land the occupy remain a part of Israel?

Thats not the point, the point is that Isreal is not only occupying Palestine land, but continues to build on occupied terrories... They need withdrawn, and allow the Palestines to live there! If they want to create a whole state, then NON-jews need the exact same rights as Jews...

Do you think that something as unjust as this would be allowed to happen anywhere else in the world?

Put yourself in their place. At least they don't deliberately target innocent men, women and children going to work or school in a public bus.

I beg to differ http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0503-03.htm

Isreali troops have as much of a lack of respect for life as Al-queda.. does!

 

[stoned]

now for sure you guys in UK, are going to have to carry identification cards with you all the time.

 

[Anttech]

Something I read somewhere: the Socialist ultra-Leftist mayor of London

I don't know where you get your sources from but he is not "Ultra-leftist" He is a Londoner, and London takes pride in it diverse Culture. All 12 Million of them. The powers to be in London listen to their ethnic minorities.

the way I see it, that land does not belong to either Jews nor Palestinians, but is in dispute, and since both can't have it, and they can't live together, let it got to the most deserving people (the Jews in my estimation).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/world/2001/israel_and_palestinians/timeline/

You decide who is more worthy, but perhaps have all the facts first. The Jews had not been in Palestine since 500BC, over 2000 Years ago! At the turn of the 1900 century started 'forcing' there way in, using there influence in the British and USA Governments to mandate Palestine for Zionists.. They then were able to assemble a large enough army to force the Arabs out of there home for 2000 Years... Not very fair is it?

What gets me is that Some western Counties Governments harp on about "Islamic" states, and the need for democracy in these countries, where the government is 'secular', yet they seems to forget about the Israel...

I am not an Arab nor do I cordon any terrorism, but in the view of the Arab nations "the West" is 2 faced, and I have to agree (Just like in the view of Ireland England was 2 faced)... Invading countries for economical gain, leaving worse dictators in power, because of the lack of fruit at the end of the conflict.. Calling for an end of "Islamic" governments in the ME, yet allowing the Zionists to strangle hold Palestine...

Killing >150,000 people in Iraq for 'missing' weapons of mass destruction. And holding which ever country they feel like accountable to UN mandates (Israel has Nuclear weapons, so why aren’t weapons inspectors knocking on their door?)

This sense of injustice drives people to lash out, just look at what happened in LA when Rodney King was beaten by the police.

If we want world peace then we all have to push our governments to be more transparent and less corrupt, us “rich” nations need to stop pillaging poor countries and allow for an equal playing ground when it comes to trade

 

[quetzalcoatl9]

Killing >150,000 people in Iraq

Can you post sources on these numbers please? Are these soldiers, civilians or both?

 

[kat]

He is on earth, and his location says "Palestine" which I would suggest is slightly closer to ME problems, than maine :-)

Well, then he's either lying or woefully misinformed when he states "they stop attacking Israel since more than 6 months"

Thats not the point

Uh..I wanted his opinion, no point to be made in my question.

Do you think that something as unjust as this would be allowed to happen anywhere else in the world?

Oh...yeah...and far worse..right now, today. But while we're on the subject..why don't you tell me how many refugees from numerous other countries who were displaced during the same time period were allowed to return to their own land/homes? And then...why don't you tell me how many jews who were displaced during the same time were allowed to return to their homes/land? and then why don't you tell me what happened to them (the Jews and others). and why they aren't still held under "refugee status"?

I beg to differ http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0503-03.htm

Isreali troops have as much of a lack of respect for life as Al-queda.. does!

BZZZZ, try again. I don't do propaganda sites.

 

[Burnsys]

BZZZZ, try again. I don't do propaganda sites.

Again typical strategy of attacking the source and not it contents, like if saying: "That site is a liberal one" and that would refute all the contents in the article...

Next Try:
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&tab=wn&ie=UTF-8&q="James+Miller"+Gaza+

 

[The Smoking Man]

BZZZZ, try again. I don't do propaganda sites.

Funny, I followed the link and waiting at the end was an unadulterated article from AFP with pictures 'n all for the slow of mind.

I guess if Fox News carries an AFP piece, they are a 'propaganda site' too?

 

[The Smoking Man]

Do you think that something as unjust as this would be allowed to happen anywhere else in the world?



I beg to differ http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0503-03.htm

Isreali troops have as much of a lack of respect for life as Al-queda.. does!

An interesting note about the rest of the world and if it would be tollerated ...

On March 16, a 23-year-old peace activist from the United States was crushed to death by an Israeli bulldozer in the Gaza Strip as she was acting as a human shield to prevent the demolition of a Palestinian house.

The Israeli daily Haaretz reported Friday that authorities are considering expelling foreign peace activists acting as human shields.

Top Israeli brass and foreign ministry officials met this week to discuss the means of expelling the activists, the newspaper reported.

A foreign ministry spokesman confirmed that meetings had been held but said no decision had yet been reached.

"We discussed the issue of these so-called pacifists, who are in closed military zones where they are not allowed and are putting their own lives at risk," the spokesman told AFP.

When this happened in Tiananmen (person crushed under the tracks of a heavy vehicle), the world was up in arms and each year on the aniversary of Tiananmen, the images are replayed.

This shows the importance of unhindered media coverage in an area.

It also shows that the free world is more convinced by sound bytes than the occurance of events themselves.

Talk about a beheading and nothing is done ... show it on TV and you get results.

Now those of you who supported the 'censorship' or 'direction' or 'embedding' of media WITH troops with permit, please explain again why we can't have a free media in a war zone?

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

It is also a historical fact that the Muslims were able to amass large forces through forced conversion of the people they conquered, thus developing a large enough force to (unexpectedly) invade and conquer Byzantium.

That's interesting. Do you have a source at all? From what I have read Muslims were known to usually allow the people of the areas they "absorbed" to continue their own religious practices.

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

Also, in regards to buddhists, I know that they aren't all honey and creme. It is though the popular perception that buddhists are peaceful. I meant it as a contrast to the popular perception of muslims as being violent. There are buddhists that are militant and there are muslim sects that are peaceful.

 

[The Smoking Man]

Also, in regards to buddhists, I know that they aren't all honey and creme. It is though the popular perception that buddhists are peaceful. I meant it as a contrast to the popular perception of muslims as being violent. There are buddhists that are militant and there are muslim sects that are peaceful.

Case in point:

Regardless of what you think about the Chinese being in Tibet ...

In 1959, the Dalai Lama put guns into the hands of his followers and said, "Shoot".

I kind of have trouble with that idea knowing the rules of the 8 fold path ... which you can read in any of his books.

He also sold the same book to two different publishers earlier this year after having received advances from them.

Apparently, all is not peaceful in Buddhaville.

The Japanese were also half Buddhist and half Shinto... Not what I'd call a peaceful lifestyle. More like 'selective moralities'.

 

[Mercator]

Another PIC : the Japanese prefer a peaceful lifestyle in a radiaoactive environment.

 

[The Smoking Man]

Another PIC : the Japanese prefer a peaceful lifestyle in a radiaoactive environment.

Or as a Haiku:

Japanese prefer peaceful lifestyle
radiaoactive environment

 

[Art]

Police seem to be pretty certain now all 4 bombers died in their own explosions.

ALL FOUR BOMBERS DIED

All four suspected bombers died during the London terror attacks, according to police sources.


Sky News crime correspondent Martin Brunt said three bombers died in separate Tube attacks and one was killed in the No 30 bus blast.

Detectives believe all four were British citizens, Brunt said.

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13385127,00.html

 

[Spin_Network]

Police seem to be pretty certain now all 4 bombers died in their own explosions.




http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13385127,00.html

Latest thoughts are that the 'Train-Terrorists', were murdered by the 'Bus-Bomber'. The Bus-Bomber came from the north of England, and was actually reported missing on the morning of the bombings, it is now pretty evident that this man(bus-bomber) set the mobile phone alarms, as a detonating factor.

All four terrorists were in one location in order for the devises to be primed, thus there was one person responcible for setting the activation devise(mobile phone alarm), this is why the 'first three' bombs detonated within a few seconds of each other, one man setting mobile alarms accumilates a 'Time-Lapse' of a few seconds, each alarm needs individual attention.

Thus departing from a single location, the Bus-Bomber MAY have told the individual bombers that their bombs were set, with respect to them being able to leave the location in sufficient time, to escape the blasts.

Having caught the No-30 Bus, he was actually in the process of setting the alarm on the Bomb/s he was preparing, when an 'incoming-call' (maybe from a distant relative worried about his wherabouts (first bombs were by now on TV?) ..actually either panicked him, or actually detonated the devises.

Quite Ironic don't you think!

 

[Mercator]

Maybe they were just bombs exploding without need for conspiracy theories.

 

[El Hombre Invisible]

Well people have been warning about the dangers of mobile phones for years. Perhaps now people will listen.

So what now for the war on terror? Are we going to demand Leeds' Muslim community hands over the ring-leader, announce that they are with us or against us, then bomb them out of West Yorkshire? Or does that only work when the country is safely outside Europe?

Bit of a predicament. I hadn't thought much more on this than I thought about the IRA, but this is so different. The IRA were, at least, in Ireland - another country. These are British nationals killing British people, most likely in protest against the British government. Why didn't they just kill themselves (I mean, I know they did, but why not JUST themselves) if that was their plan? Why kill innocents? It's one thing if you're wanting to terrorise a whole other country... clearly mass suicide would not have the desired effect on the government in question, but in your own country...?

And of course this is religion, not nationality. How do you stop the millions of people already living in your country from planting bombs in the name of Islam?

And are the American government, committed as they are to the war on terror, going to help us, or are we going to start seeing reluctance to waste their time when there's not really anything in it for them... no oil, gas, etc? Do we want their help?

Will ID cards help? Could this have been orchestrated by David Blunkett prior to his resignation to convince the nation that paying £50 (now, what? - £100?) for a Cat (Card Against Terrorism) is actually pretty reasonable? He was mad, after all.

Will the BNP gain in popularity due to this... will Great Britain edge closer to white supremacy?

So many questions. Too many really. I should delete a few.

 

[Art]

Will the BNP gain in popularity due to this... will Great Britain edge closer to white supremacy?

Seems like the BNP's motto is 'Make hay while the sun shines'

BNP DEFENDS LEAFLET

The British National Party has been condemned for using a photograph of the bombed Number 30 bus on a leaflet for an upcoming by-election.

The picture is on the cover of a leaflet printed for Thursday's council by-election in Barking, east London.


The leaflet also features the slogan: "Maybe now it's time to start listening to the BNP."

The leader of the Conservatives in London, Bob Neill, called it "disgraceful and sick".

He said: "It's as contemptible an election tactic as I have ever seen in my life."

 

[Spin_Network]

Seems like the BNP's motto is 'Make hay while the sun shines'

This is quite sick!

In the UK the newspaper The Sun , on Sat 9th July, page 5, had a picture of the said Bus, headline read:30 Seconds after blast, showing amongst the carnage, the Bus Driver staggering away in confusion. The photograph, was horrific in its graphic detail, this photo also shows the Head of an innocent victim,(this victim I believe is one of the two persons confirmed dead this evening in the UK) hanging out over the side, at the blown out back of the destroyed bus.

It was this photo that actually made me post to the original poster of this thread. It may be that, others who see this photo, will not have the same view's that I felt, and that is that families of the victims, from all walks of life and beliefs, have to see the image of their loved one's, in so graphic and horrific detail?

My heart goes out to Parents..Brothers.. Sisters of those innocent victims, I cannot bare to think, if one of my most cherished and loved ones were amongst those murdered.

 

[The Smoking Man]

This is quite sick!

In the UK the newspaper The Sun , on Sat 9th July, page 5, had a picture of the said Bus, headline read:30 Seconds after blast, showing amongst the carnage, the Bus Driver staggering away in confusion. The photograph, was horrific in its graphic detail, this photo also shows the Head of an innocent victim,(this victim I believe is one of the two persons confirmed dead this evening in the UK) hanging out over the side, at the blown out back of the destroyed bus.

It was this photo that actually made me post to the original poster of this thread. It may be that, others who see this photo, will not have the same view's that I felt, and that is that families of the victims, from all walks of life and beliefs, have to see the image of their loved one's, in so graphic and horrific detail?

My heart goes out to Parents..Brothers.. Sisters of those innocent victims, I cannot bare to think, if one of my most cherished and loved ones were amongst those murdered.

Question: This is a regular occurance in many parts of the world.

Pictures like this are often shown on foreign news services like al Jazeera.

Why are you so concerned now?

 

[Bilal]

It is horrible attack in London. Unfortunately it is normal day in Iraq!

 

[ron damon]

You know, Left-wing terrorists in Colombia use a tactic where they tell the bomb-planters that the bombs are on a timer, and that they will go off only after allowing sufficient time for them to escape, when in fact the bombs are set to go off immediately, killing the planters and so leaving no human links.

 

[Spin_Network]

Question: This is a regular occurance in many parts of the world.

Pictures like this are often shown on foreign news services like al Jazeera.

Why are you so concerned now?

Firstly I have no access to Al Jazeera, why should I be concerned, are Al Jazeera Concerned about 'my' every day life shedule?

Secondly, this was a regular occurence in the UK at one point in time, but for a different cause, makes no difference, its a sad moment here and now, as it would be anywhere else on the Earth?

 

[The Smoking Man]

Firstly I have no access to Al Jazeera, why should I be concerned, are Al Jazeera Concerned about 'my' every day life shedule?

You do have access to http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/E4D19123-9DD3-11D1-B44E-006097071264.htm helps fight skin cancer.

Secondly, this was a regular occurence in the UK at one point in time, but for a different cause, makes no difference, its a sad moment here and now, as it would be anywhere else on the Earth?

Then I think you have just given the answer as to why many of these groups move their attacks to the venue they will be assured they will be seen by you.

The very fact that we open topics on boards like this and discuss the result and motivations gives them reason to do so when we fail to discuss the attrocities when it happens in their own countries.

Regardless of the source of these bombings, I am sure that the perpetrators believe that the governments of England (and the USA) are partially responsible for their plight and they have hit out at the people who they believe to have put them into power.

 

[Daminc]

The bombers are misguided fools.

Intellectually and strategically I can understand the attacks. I can even raise a certain amount of respect for this enemy knocking on our front door but it's hard to understand what they are trying to achieve with these actions.

The IRA had a specific agenda which I could understand (except when they targeted civilians) however when there actions crossed an invisible line the SAS were given a STK policy that disregarded all territorial boundaries. It was only when the policy was made public with the Gibraltar incident that the 'people' went 'hang on, you can't go around killing people like that'. That was the beginning of the end of the IRA as we knew it. They then knew if they crossed the line again they would all die without exception.

Britain can be seen as a tolerant, multi-cultural society, but we have been at war somewhere on this planet almost continually for the last 1000 years and we're pretty damn good at it.

This bombing may be the the trigger to reactivate the STK policy and I expect there will be less opposition to it this time. Imagine it, first Britain would be cleared up with people dissappearing left, right and center. Then it would expand through Europe and beyond without a single government having a say about it.

Yes, the government may use this incident to push the ID-cards through and many civil liberties may go out the window but I don't think that the 'enemy' knows just what we brits are capable of.

 

[El Hombre Invisible]

The bombers are misguided fools.

Intellectually and strategically I can understand the attacks. I can even raise a certain amount of respect for this enemy knocking on our front door but it's hard to understand what they are trying to achieve with these actions.

The IRA had a specific agenda which I could understand (except when they targeted civilians) however when there actions crossed an invisible line the SAS were given a STK policy that disregarded all territorial boundaries. It was only when the policy was made public with the Gibraltar incident that the 'people' went 'hang on, you can't go around killing people like that'. That was the beginning of the end of the IRA as we knew it. They then knew if they crossed the line again they would all die without exception.

Britain can be seen as a tolerant, multi-cultural society, but we have been at war somewhere on this planet almost continually for the last 1000 years and we're pretty damn good at it.

This bombing may be the the trigger to reactivate the STK policy and I expect there will be less opposition to it this time. Imagine it, first Britain would be cleared up with people dissappearing left, right and center. Then it would expand through Europe and beyond without a single government having a say about it.

Yes, the government may use this incident to push the ID-cards through and many civil liberties may go out the window but I don't think that the 'enemy' knows just what we brits are capable of.

Bad fish and chips?

 

[Daminc]

Bad fish and chips?

NEVER.
How could you say such a thing about our national dish. We couldn't make bad fish and chips even if we tried (in which case we'd probably get done for treason )

Mmmm, fish and chips :!)

 

[El Hombre Invisible]

Dammit, now I'm hungry. And this weather is just about right for eating something when you don't want to know what's in it. Okay, you sold me. I take it back.

 

[siddharth]

How could you say such a thing about our national dish
...
Mmmm, fish and chips :!)

I thought that the national dish in UK is now
Chicken Tikka Masala