What Causes Elliptical Galaxies to be Elliptical?

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The discussion centers on the reasons behind the elliptical shape of elliptical galaxies, exploring theories related to galaxy formation and structure. Participants reference existing theories and observations, particularly in relation to mergers of galaxies and the implications of density wave theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the specific reasons for elliptical galaxies having an elliptical shape, linking it to the density wave theory of spiral galaxies.
  • Another participant suggests that elliptical galaxies form primarily from the merger of two or more galaxies, resulting in a loss of the original spiral shape and leading to an ellipsoidal structure due to gravitational and angular momentum effects.
  • A later reply confirms that mergers are a common explanation for the formation of elliptical galaxies, referencing Wikipedia as a source.
  • Another participant introduces a paper that challenges the density wave theory, suggesting that the spiral patterns in galaxies may not be as stable or long-lived as previously thought, which could have implications for understanding galaxy shapes.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the current state of the discussion, asking for clarification on the conclusions reached.

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Participants generally agree that mergers play a significant role in the formation of elliptical galaxies, but there is no consensus on the implications of density wave theory or its relevance to the discussion of elliptical shapes.

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Some assumptions about the nature of galaxy mergers and the validity of density wave theory remain unresolved, and the discussion reflects differing interpretations of observational evidence.

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Hello,

I read that the density wave theory makes up the shape of the spiral galaxies look spiral? Is there any specific reason for elliptical galaxies to make the shape of a ellipse?

Thanks.
 
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The above may help. Since they seem to form from the merger of two or more galalxies, the original spiral shape gets lost and the ellipsoid result seems to be the natural shape resulting from gravity and angular momentum.
 
Thanks for the information. I read through wikipedia. It says mostly they are formed by mergers of other galaxies.
 
shounakbhatta said:
Hello,

I read that the density wave theory makes up the shape of the spiral galaxies look spiral?
This theory seems to have been recently falsified:
http://arxiv.org/abs/1105.5141

"Observational Evidence Against Long-Lived Spiral Arms in Galaxies"
Kelly Foyle, Hans-Walter Rix, Clare Dobbs, Adam Leroy, Fabian Walter
(Submitted on 25 May 2011)

Abstract: We test whether the spiral patterns apparent in many large disk galaxies should be thought of as dynamical features that are stationary in a co-rotating frame for > t_{dyn}, as implied by the density wave approach for explaining spiral arms. If such spiral arms have enhanced star formation (SF), observational tracers for different stages of the SF sequence should show a spatial ordering, from up-stream to downstream in the corotating frame: dense HI, CO, tracing molecular hydrogen gas, 24 micron emission tracing enshrouded SF and UV emission tracing unobscured young stars. We argue that such a spatial ordering should be reflected in the angular cross-correlation (CC, in polar coordinates) using all azimuthal positions among pairs of these tracers; the peak of the CC should be offset from zero, in different directions inside and outside the corotation radius. Recent spiral SF simulations by Dobbs & Pringle, show explicitly that for the case of a stationary spiral arm potential such angular offsets between gas and young stars of differing ages should be observable as cross-correlation offsets. We calculate the angular cross-correlations for different observational SF sequence tracers in 12 nearby spiral galaxies, drawing on a data set with high quality maps of the neutral gas HI, THINGS), molecular gas (CO, HERACLES) along with 24 micron emission (Spitzer, SINGS); we include FUV images (GALEX) and 3.6 $\mu$m emission (Spitzer, IRAC) for some galaxies, tracing aging stars and longer timescales. In none of the resulting tracer cross-correlations for this sample do we find systematic angular offsets, which would be expected for a stationary dynamical spiral pattern of well-defined pattern speed. This result indicates that spiral density waves in their simplest form are not an important aspect of explaining spirals in large disk galaxies.
 
So where do we stand?
 

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