What Causes Spacetime to Return to Uniformity?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of gravitational attraction in the context of general relativity, specifically questioning what causes matter to attract and how spacetime behaves in relation to this attraction. Participants explore concepts of spacetime curvature, inertia, and the potential for spacetime to return to a uniform state.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that matter attracts due to the warping of spacetime, questioning what drives this motion and suggesting that spacetime might be elastic, wanting to return to a uniform distribution.
  • Another participant asserts that inertia drives gravitational motion, as described by general relativity.
  • A follow-up inquiry asks how inertia influences the motion of two stationary objects when released in a curved spacetime, seeking clarification on the mechanics involved.
  • Another response introduces the concept of four-velocity, explaining that it is never zero and that once masses are released, their paths are curved due to spacetime curvature, leading to spatial motion.
  • A further comment draws an analogy with geodesics on a sphere, suggesting that understanding geodesics may help clarify the nature of motion in curved spacetime.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of gravitational attraction and the role of inertia, with no consensus reached on the underlying mechanisms or definitions involved.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of objects in spacetime and the interpretation of inertia, which may depend on specific definitions and mathematical frameworks that are not fully resolved in the conversation.

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so i am somewhat new to the theory of general relativity but in none of the papers i have read does anyone seem to explain what causes matter to attract... for example, the moon and the Earth are attracted to each other because each of them warps spacetime around themselves. these warped pockets could be thought of as low density areas in spacetime. Einstein says they attract because they are following the curvature of spacetime but what drives that motion? the only thing i can think of that would cause objects to want to clump together in a spacetime field is if spacetime is somehow elastic. it is as if for whatever reason there is a pressure-like force causing spacetime to want to return to a uniform distribution. is there a term for such a force and if so what causes it?
 
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cosmonium said:
Einstein says they attract because they are following the curvature of spacetime but what drives that motion?
Inertia. GR says that gravitational motion is inertial motion.
 
interesting... could you expand on that? assuming 2 perfectly stationary objects in space that have are held in place for a long period of time (so any gravitational waves have already passed by) and then released, what about their inertia causes them to slope down the spacetime curvature?
 
You need to generalise velocity to the four-dimensional equivalent, the four-velocity. This is never zero; it always has length 1 in geometric units. For the case of a stationary (in the 3d sense) mass, you can interpret this (probably slightly loosely) as saying that it is only moving through time. But spacetime is curved. So once your masses are released, their inertial paths are curves - which is to say that their velocity vectors rotate and the masses acquire spatial motion.

You'll need to learn up to connection coefficients and the geodesic equation to get a rigorous explanation of that.
 
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cosmonium said:
interesting... could you expand on that? assuming 2 perfectly stationary objects in space that have are held in place for a long period of time (so any gravitational waves have already passed by) and then released, what about their inertia causes them to slope down the spacetime curvature?
Are you aware that on a sphere a great circle forms a "straight line" aka "a geodesic". If so, consider two nearby longitude lines. They are geodesics, and they are parallel at the equator but intersect at the poles.
 
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