What Does a = b (mod pZp) Mean in p-adic Numbers?

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The discussion centers around the interpretation of the notation a = b (mod pZp) in the context of p-adic numbers, specifically exploring the implications of congruence in the ring of p-adic integers Zp. Participants also touch upon related concepts of limits and the relationship between p-adic numbers and real numbers.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on the meaning of a = b (mod pZp), questioning whether it implies a = b (mod p^k) for all k ≥ 1.
  • Another participant explains that x = y (mod pZp) means x - y is an element of the ideal pZp, which is generated by p.
  • A later reply suggests that the congruence can be understood as x and y being congruent modulo p in Zp.
  • Some participants introduce a separate question regarding the concept of p approaching infinity and its implications for the relationship between p-adic numbers and real numbers, specifically questioning the meaning of saying Qp = R when p = ∞.
  • One participant challenges the phrasing of the question about p approaching infinity, suggesting that it reflects a misunderstanding of the conventions surrounding absolute values and completions of Q.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of congruences in p-adic numbers and the implications of p approaching infinity, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a consensus.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of congruences in p-adic integers and the conceptual framework surrounding limits and absolute values in number theory.

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Hi all,

If Zp is the ring of p-adic integers, what does the notation a = b (mod pZp) mean ? I understand congruence in Zp, i.e., a = b (mod p) implies a = b +zp, where z is in Zp (and a, b in Zp). However, I don't get what is meant by (mod pZp) ... does this mean a = b (mod p^k) for all k >= 1 ?

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P
 
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The p-adic numbers can be written in the form

\sum_{i=0}^{+\infty}{a_ip^i}

for 0\leq a_i\leq p-1.

The ideal p\mathbb{Z}_p is the ideal generated by p. It contains elements like

\sum_{i=1}^{+\infty}{a_ip^i}

Now, we say that x=y~(mod~p\mathbb{Z}_p) if x-y\in p\mathbb{Z}_p.
 
Ok, thanks micromass. So put another way it means that x and y are congruent modulo p in Zp.

Cheers!
 
have another question , if p \rightarrow infty , how can you prove that the infinite prime p= \infty is just the hole of the Real numbers ??
 
zetafunction said:
have another question , if p \rightarrow infty , how can you prove that the infinite prime p= \infty is just the hole of the Real numbers ??
As phrased, this question makes no sense.

I suspect what you're asking is, "Why do people say that \mathbb Q_p = \mathbb R when p=\infty?" This is more a matter of convention (and convenience) than anything. There is no "let p -> infinity" going on. What is going on is that Q has several absolute values: up to equivalence, these are the p-adic absolute values (|.|_p) and the usual absolute value (|.|). One then completes Q at these absolute values to obtain the fields Q_p and R, respectively. One says "Q_p is the completion at of Q at p". Then there are good reasons to think of the usual absolute value as coming from an "infinite" prime, and to say that "R is the completion of Q at the infinite prime".
 

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