What Does the 4a Angle Mean in Light Trails?

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The discussion centers around the concept of "light trails" and specifically the calculation and meaning of the angle "4a" as it relates to the reflection of light from water waves. Participants explore the geometric relationships involved in this phenomenon, touching on theoretical and conceptual aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the angle "4a" is derived and its significance in the context of light trails.
  • Another participant explains that the angle "4a" is formed by the position of the observer's eye and the light rays reflecting from the closest and farthest wave locations that can reach the eye.
  • A participant references a book to suggest that the total deviation from a flat surface is twice the angle of inclination, leading to the conclusion that the range of angles seen is also doubled.
  • There is a query about why the total deviation is not calculated as "90-a," prompting further discussion on the relationship between angles of incidence and reflection.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about their geometric calculations, indicating that they arrived at "4a" but are unsure of its correctness.
  • Another participant confirms that their geometric reasoning supports the conclusion of "4a," expressing appreciation for the collaborative verification of their understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and uncertainty regarding the derivation of the angle "4a." While some calculations seem to support the conclusion, there is no consensus on the correctness of the geometric reasoning or the exact nature of the angle's derivation.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various assumptions regarding the angles involved in reflection and the conditions under which the calculations are made. There are references to specific geometrical relationships and potential limitations in understanding the phenomenon fully.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in optics, geometry, and the physics of light reflection, particularly in the context of natural phenomena like light trails on water surfaces.

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Hi

I've read about "light trails" in http://www.islandnet.com/~see/weather/elements/glitter.htm

but I didn't understand how they have calculated the 4a angle, and what really is the meaning of it.
 
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Your eye is located at a fixed spot. The waves are at many different angles at many different locations. Consider waves with maximum inclination "a" at many different locations. If the location is too far or too near, the wave with maximum inclination "a" will not reflect light to your eye position. The angle "4a" is formed by the position of your eye, and the light rays that reach your eye position from the closest and farthest wave locations able to reflect light to it.
 
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Thank you, but how did they get it was exactly 4a?
 
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I cheated and looked in the section on "Glitter" in Lynch and Livingston's book. If the water was a perfectly flat mirror, you would see one spot of light. With waves at many angles going from "-a" to "+a", you will see spots corresponding to mirrors at all those angles. The crucial figure is not available for preview. My guess is they assumed that the sun's rays are incident exactly perpendicular to the horizontal, so the angle of incidence and angle of reflection are both zero from a perfectly flat surface. When the surface is inclined at some angle, the total deviation from the zero of the flat surface is twice the angle of inclination because you add the angle of incidence and the angle of reflection. So the total range of angles seen is twice the total range of angles in the water waves. http://books.google.com/books?id=4Abp5FdhskAC&printsec=frontcover#PPA83,M1
 
Hey thank you again
but why the total deviation is not 90-a?
 
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Do you mean like that:

(I've added in blue the 2a angles)
 

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Yes, that's what I thought. But when I worked it out, I got this. The sum of angles at the eye seems to still work out to 4a. I flunked the last geometry test I took about 15 years ago - I wonder what the right answer is. :confused: (The attached picture is my alteration of a picture from Joseph Shaw's http://www.etl.noaa.gov/about/eo/science/glitter/glitter.html )
 

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Thank you, I see that with a bit of geometry it does works!
 
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Thanks - it's nice to have someone check my geometry too, and it explains a really pretty phenomenon!
 

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