News What Exactly Is Happening In the Arab/Persian World?

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Protests in Egypt have escalated into violence, with reports of protesters being beaten and arrested, including journalists. The unrest is characterized as significant but not an outright uprising, contrasting with the recent events in Tunisia. Rumors suggest that President Mubarak's family may have fled the country, raising concerns about potential instability. As protests continue, there are fears that the situation could worsen, particularly with a planned massive demonstration. The emergence of a leaderless youth movement is seen as a critical factor in challenging Mubarak's long-standing regime.
  • #351


WhoWee said:
I heard an interview earlier with a 24 year old Egyptian on the street. He said the leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood were giving talks and organizing protestors. But, who really knows?

Another story about the Muslim Brotherhood:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/atlantic/20110131/cm_atlantic/themuslimbrotherhoodthefutureofegypt6780

Yeah... they clearly didn't START this, but they're not so dumb that they won't use this opportunity to fill the vacuum if nobody else will. Personally, given the military's behaviour today, I suspect they're trying to find a general to take over Mubarak, with the argument that it's to end civil unrest. Just a thought.
 
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  • #352


nismaratwork said:
Yeah... they clearly didn't START this, but they're not so dumb that they won't use this opportunity to fill the vacuum if nobody else will. Personally, given the military's behaviour today, I suspect they're trying to find a general to take over Mubarak, with the argument that it's to end civil unrest. Just a thought.

I think we are going to need another bunk bed Honey! :frown:
 
  • #353


Anderson Cooper and his crew has been attacked by the mob and hit in the head:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcX5_RdFhhM
 
  • #354


waht said:
Anderson Cooper and his crew has been attacked by the mob and hit in the head:
He didn't look too roughed up - maybe just a little bit of drama?
 
  • #355


What is happening in Egypt is a Game of Chess.
 
  • #356


WhoWee said:
He didn't look too roughed up - maybe just a little bit of drama?

You think so? He said of his crew the female producer was most roughed up, he was just punched in the head (not face). I'll buy that, given footage filed by Hala Gorani.

I'm impressed that the anti-government forces have managed to hold Tahrir Sq. against a surprise attack that was clearly meant to scatter them.
 
  • #357


Mueiz said:
What is happening in Egypt is a Game of Chess.

That's some deadly chess game you got there.
 
  • #358


Here is the actual footage being attacked by angry mob. But I must warn it's pretty graphic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QLr7guJ9Gs
 
  • #359


waht said:
Here is the actual footage being attacked by angry mob. But I must warn it's pretty graphic.

Looks like pushing and shoving mostly.
 
  • #360


WhoWee said:
Looks like pushing and shoving mostly.

With at least 3 dead, and over 600 wounded? That's some serious shoving.
 
  • #361


nismaratwork said:
With at least 3 dead, and over 600 wounded? That's some serious shoving.

I was talking about the video of attacks on the CNN crew. To your point though - what is going on with lobbing firebombs at each other?
 
  • #362


WhoWee said:
Looks like pushing and shoving mostly.

Shoving and pushing can be very intimidating. It's a perfect atmosphere to hit or even kill someone and get away with it. There is no central authority here that maintains order, the crowds are operating in a primitive instinct mode. A slight aggravation of it can instantly polarize a swarm of nearby people to be against you, like bees protecting their hive except that there is no queen to be protected. In light of the situation, I'd say Cooper was a breadths hair away from a much more serious attack.
 
  • #363


waht said:
Shoving and pushing can be very intimidating. It's a perfect atmosphere to hit or even kill someone and get away with it. There is no central authority here that maintains order, the crowds are operating in a primitive instinct mode. A slight aggravation of it can instantly polarize a swarm of nearby people to be against you, like bees protecting their hive except that there is no queen to be protected. In light of the situation, I'd say Cooper was a breadths hair away from a much more serious attack.

Or he was just scared and a little dramatic? He put himself into harms way.
 
  • #364
new enlightenment?

an Egyptian friend shares
It is not a fight between Pro-Mubarak and Anti-Mubarak :
It's the battle between science and urbanization versus ignorance and bullying!
 
  • #365


WhoWee said:
Or he was just scared and a little dramatic? He put himself into harms way.

Why does matter? It's his job, it's what good journalists should do.

I can imagine being in a small group being pushed around and yelled at by a much bigger group, it would be intimidating as hell.
 
  • #366


WhoWee said:
Or he was just scared and a little dramatic? He put himself into harms way.
Yeah, that was just dumb sensationalism. Or just dumb. Hard to tell.
 
  • #367


Wow, looks like all hell breaking out now at Tahrir Square...and there are warnings now from the State Department to Americans who want to leave: get to the airport *now*. :cry:
 
  • #368


edpell said:
an Egyptian friend shares
It is not a fight between Pro-Mubarak and Anti-Mubarak :
It's the battle between science and urbanization versus ignorance and bullying!

who is who?
 
  • #369


nismaratwork said:
With at least 3 dead, and over 600 wounded? That's some serious shoving.

That's a slow night in many U. S. cities.

I lived in Egypt for three years as a U. S. intelligence officer. I have been back several times since. I count many Egyptians as my friends. Having traveled widely throughout the Arab World, I would say that Egyptians are probably the least violent and most passive of all the Arabs. Look at all the authoritative governments they have put up with. Nasser, back in the 1960's was the first Egyptian ruler of Egypt in more than two thousand years.

As riots and civil disobedience goes, I would say that the Egyptians have been remarkedly well behaved.
 
  • #370


I heard on the news (on TV) that the American govt. is being blamed for all this mess in Egypt. If this is true, may I ask why?
 
  • #371


dr2011 said:
I heard on the news (on TV) that the American govt. is being blamed for all this mess in Egypt. If this is true, may I ask why?
Obviously it's not true. Post a legitimate source to back your post.
 
  • #372


Evo said:
Obviously it's not true. Post a legitimate source to back your post.

I heard it on TV and I am looking for an article about the same online that you all can read. Will certainly post it when I find it.

Meanwhile, how do YOU know it is not true?
 
  • #373


Evo said:
Obviously it's not true. Post a legitimate source to back your post.

What's "obviously not true"? That the US is responsible? Or that the US is being blamed for it (by some people)?
 
  • #374


I have no idea why the U.S. would be blamed for bad leadership in Egypt. Please explain.
 
  • #375


Math Is Hard said:
I have no idea why the U.S. would be blamed for bad leadership in Egypt. Please explain.

Well, if one believed that the US had been supporting the bad leadership in Egypt, then one might blame the US for bad leadership. (Note: I haven't been following the news, don't know if this is actually the case, I'm just presenting a hypothetical of why the US might be blamed.)
 
  • #376


lisab said:
Wow, looks like all hell breaking out now at Tahrir Square...and there are warnings now from the State Department to Americans who want to leave: get to the airport *now*. :cry:

Yes tragic, very tragic.

Brutal 'statistics' from the first day of "quasi-demonstrations" by the pro-Mubarak/pro-"Stability" goons:

6 killed
>800 wounded

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*** And now in the morning, they are reporting that new loads of goons are arriving in busses, equipped with knifes and cudgels ***

:cry:
 
  • #377


(sorry for going off-topic, but...)

What did nismaratwork do now?? :bugeye:
 
  • #378


DevilsAvocado said:
(sorry for going off-topic, but...)

What did nismaratwork do now?? :bugeye:

I was wondering the same. A pity.

--------------------------------

On Egypt, it's probably been said many times here already, but this could be the beginning of a major and long term world event.
 
  • #379


EGYPTIAN PM ADDRESSES CRISIS: Infiltration... doesn’t understand... wounds... lot of blood... fires... young people... peaceful demonstrations... very strange that both sides where very hot... I pledged for full investigation... about this tragedy... I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT HAVE HAPPENED!


My advice: Call President Hosni Mubarak for a full insider report.
 
  • #380


alt said:
I was wondering the same. A pity.

I could be wrong, but I think 'single strike' = "cool down baby, for a couple of days..." :rolleyes:
alt said:
On Egypt, it's probably been said many times here already, but this could be the beginning of a major and long term world event.

All over Middle East this is already a MAJOR event that has had profound changes in politics and society. The U.S. is up to the teeth involved in what is happening in Egypt.

Maybe only Millersville on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarvis_Island" is completely 'unaffected'... :wink:

300px-Jarvis_Island.svg.png
 
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  • #381


DevilsAvocado said:
*** And now in the morning, they are reporting that new loads of goons are arriving in busses, equipped with knifes and cudgels ***

This is the problem with standing by and watching. The violence started with rock throwing. We watched as people shattered curbs to find something to throw. The horses and camels aside, the next level of organized violence seems to have been the exchange of firebombs. Now we are escalating to weapons coupled with plans for a large march on Friday.
 
  • #382


WhoWee said:
This is the problem with standing by and watching.


Yes, and in this situation I don’t know if my hero Albert Einstein is right or wrong ... confusing ... :rolleyes:
"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." -- Albert Einstein​
 
  • #383


Drats!

Om's Computer said:
The connection has timed out
The server at english.aljazeera.net is taking too long to respond.
The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few moments.

What am I going to do!?

Al Jazeera English via Facebook said:
We have had reports that many in different parts of the world can't access our site or channel. You can live stream AJE here: http://youtube.com/aljazeeraenglish

Phew!
 
  • #384


OmCheeto said:
Phew!

Thanks!
 
  • #385


I’ve fixed a direct HTML-link to: http://s.ytimg.com/yt/swfbin/watch_as3-vflMkPRJq.swf?el=livepage&fmt_list=22%2F10%2F9%2F0%2F115%2C35%2F3%2F9%2F0%2F115%2C34%2F0%2F9%2F0%2F115&ps=live&video_id=live0000001&vq=auto&partnerid=24&t=irock&fmt_stream_map=22%7Caljazeera_en_veryhigh%7Crtmp%3A%2F%2Faljazeeraflashlivefs.fplive.net%2Faljazeeraflashlive-live%2C35%7Caljazeera_en_high%7Crtmp%3A%2F%2Faljazeeraflashlivefs.fplive.net%2Faljazeeraflashlive-live%2C34%7Caljazeera_en_medium%7Crtmp%3A%2F%2Faljazeeraflashlivefs.fplive.net%2Faljazeeraflashlive-live"

To get a 'clean page', with the video stream only. I hope this is okay...? :rolleyes:

(It’s very interesting to 'compare' CNN, BBC and Al Jazeera...)
 
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  • #386


DevilsAvocado said:
I’ve fixed a direct HTML-link to: http://s.ytimg.com/yt/swfbin/watch_as3-vflMkPRJq.swf?el=livepage&fmt_list=22%2F10%2F9%2F0%2F115%2C35%2F3%2F9%2F0%2F115%2C34%2F0%2F9%2F0%2F115&ps=live&video_id=live0000001&vq=auto&partnerid=24&t=irock&fmt_stream_map=22%7Caljazeera_en_veryhigh%7Crtmp%3A%2F%2Faljazeeraflashlivefs.fplive.net%2Faljazeeraflashlive-live%2C35%7Caljazeera_en_high%7Crtmp%3A%2F%2Faljazeeraflashlivefs.fplive.net%2Faljazeeraflashlive-live%2C34%7Caljazeera_en_medium%7Crtmp%3A%2F%2Faljazeeraflashlivefs.fplive.net%2Faljazeeraflashlive-live"

To get a 'clean page', with the video stream only. I hope this is okay...? :rolleyes:

(It’s very interesting to 'compare' CNN, BBC and Al Jazeera...)

Good! Thank you. Can someone give me a live feed to Nismar??
 
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  • #387


Lacy33 said:
Good! Thank you. Can someone give me a live feed to Nismar??

Nooooooooo :cry:


(:wink:)
 
  • #388


DevilsAvocado said:
Nooooooooo :cry:


(:wink:)

Thank you. It is very important to have our friends/supports around when dealing with a crisis. Our countries, our world is troubled. We have a community here. We need each other.
 
  • #389


Lacy33 said:
Thank you. It is very important to have our friends/supports around when dealing with a crisis. Our countries, our world is troubled. We have a community here. We need each other.

Thank you Lacy, if preparing an HTML-link is all I can do – I will prepare an HTML-link! :smile:
 
  • #390


DevilsAvocado said:
Thank you Lacy, if preparing an HTML-link is all I can do – I will prepare an HTML-link! :smile:

Thank you. I will be here. thank you
 
  • #391


EGYPTIAN VP: Yada Yada Yada paragraph Yada Yada Yada I need 70 days Yada Yada Yada infiltrators Yada Yada Yada we will find out who is responsible Yada Yada Yada the youth need to trust in the government Yada Yada Yada ...

Trust? After this? :bugeye:
 
  • #392
Swedish TV reporter arrested

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsvt.se%2F2.58360%2F1.2316045%2Futskriftsvanligt_format%3Fprinterfriendly%3Dtrue"

[PLAIN]http://svt.se/content/1/c8/02/31/60/45/BERTSUNDSTROM_370.jpg

His wife phoned his cell phone, and an "Egyptian voice" answered:
"Your husband is kept by the Egyptian government, the military. If you orphans would like have him, so come and get him."​
 
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  • #393


I'm very sorry. From our sources, we are hearing that the groups? are going after the media in the hotels.
CNN is much more quiet. I am afraid. Too wild. The peoples are way tooo wild. :frown:
 
  • #394


Lacy33 said:
I'm very sorry.

Hillary Clinton is addressing these questions right now on CNN & Al Jazeera.

Current 'speculations': Tomorrow is Friday and very many people will go to the mosque. The last thing Mubarak wants is that all these people then continue to Tahrir Square for the "final battle"...

Mubarak To-Do: Scare the sh*t out of western journalist, so that they don’t dare to get out in the street. Cut the live video feed from Tahrir Square. Cut as much lighting as possible. Clear Tahrir Square from all demonstrators and – if necessary don’t hesitate to turn it into a new "Tiananmen Square" behind a 'smokescreen'...


The Swedish reporter won’t be there, he’s in hospital, badly beaten and stabbed...
 
  • #395


Interestingly enough, Al-Jazeera's traffic has tripled in the last week. So I guess lots of people want to know what's going on.
 
  • #396


Math Is Hard said:
I have no idea why the U.S. would be blamed for bad leadership in Egypt. Please explain.

for one, we support them. militarily and financially. one might interpret that to mean that we have approved of their undertakings. those abrams tanks and other military equipment came from us. and we still provide maintenance and repair support for that hardware.

so, that comes with a great deal of responsibility. if egypt begins to misuse that military hardware, are we going to step in and neutralize it?
 
  • #398


The Mubarak regime doesn’t belong in a civilized world, the Gestapo Polizei is treating living humans as if they were bowling pins! :mad: :mad: :mad:

*** WARNING: Extremely VIOLENT footage! ***

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpFSE4dXOZs
 
  • #399


DevilsAvocado said:
The Mubarak regime doesn’t belong in a civilized world, the Gestapo Polizei is treating living humans as if they were bowling pins! :mad: :mad: :mad:

*** WARNING: Extremely VIOLENT footage! ***

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpFSE4dXOZs


How do you know (for certain) the identity of the driver? Also, weren't both sides throwing firebombs at each other all night long?
 
  • #400


DevilsAvocado said:
Hillary Clinton is addressing these questions right now on CNN & Al Jazeera.

Thank you
The Swedish reporter won’t be there, he’s in hospital, badly beaten and stabbed...


I'm so sorry DA about the Swedish reporter.
 

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