What exactly is meant when people say that a Light Cone is tilting ?

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The discussion centers around the concept of light cones in the context of relativity, specifically addressing the meaning of the term "tilting" as it relates to light cones and their behavior in different spacetime geometries. Participants explore the figurative and literal interpretations of light cone tilting, particularly in relation to general relativity and curved spacetime.

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  • Some participants express confusion about the phrase "light cones cannot be tilted so that they are parallel," questioning its meaning and context.
  • Others suggest that "tilting" may be a figurative term rather than a literal description of light cones.
  • A participant provides examples from general relativity, noting that light cones appear tilted in diagrams near the event horizon of a black hole.
  • One participant references a Wikipedia article that discusses the inability to tilt light cones in curved spacetime, linking this to the non-vanishing of the Weyl tensor.
  • There is a request for clarification on the Weyl tensor and its relevance to the discussion, particularly for those familiar with general relativity.

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Participants generally do not agree on the interpretation of the statement regarding light cone tilting, and multiple competing views remain regarding its meaning and implications in different contexts of relativity.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of interpreting light cones in both special and general relativity, with references to specific coordinate systems and the implications of curvature in spacetime. There is uncertainty about the source and authority of the claims made in the Wikipedia article.

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What exactly is meant when people say that a Light Cone is "tilting"?

I understand the general idea of a light cone when it comes to how it's used to represent light particles. However, I do not understand what is meant when one states that in Relativity, "Light cones cannot be tilted so that they are parallel."


Would anyone care to explain this to me?
 
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Benjamin113 said:
"Light cones cannot be tilted so that they are parallel."
That sentence doesn't make any sense to me either. Is that an exact quote from a book?

Do you understand what it means to say that a Lorentz transformation "tilts" the time axis or a simultaneity line?
 


Thank you for your response!

Yes, and that does make more sense. I believe now that the term "tilting" was meant to have a more...figurative...meaning than the light cone literally tilting.
 
Benjamin113 said:
Yes, and that does make more sense. I believe now that the term "tilting" was meant to have a more...figurative...meaning than the light cone literally tilting.
In coordinate systems in general relativity, light cones in a diagram using these coordinates may be tilted...for example, here is a diagram showing worldlines of particles and photons near the event horizon of a black hole in Eddington-Finkelstein coordinates (the diagram is from the textbook Gravitation by Misner/Thorne/Wheeler), you can see that if we draw in the future light cones of various events on these worldlines, they look more tilted as you approach the horizon (the grey column, the vertical axis being time):

http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/DFblackIn.gif

http://www.etsu.edu/physics/plntrm/relat/blackhl.htm has some similar diagrams at the bottom, one showing more clearly how for an event exactly on the horizon, the light cone has tilted over enough so it becomes impossible for anything in the future light cone to be outside the horizon:

http://www.etsu.edu/physics/plntrm/relat/eventho2.gif

Still, I don't understand what it would mean to say light cones "cannot be tilted so that they are parallel". Can you give some more context for that statement? Were they talking about general relativity or special relativity, for example?
 
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By the way, thanks for the diagrams.
 


OK, so the full paragraph of the wikipedia article is:
In a curved spacetime, the light-cones cannot all be tilted so that they are 'parallel'; this reflects the fact that the spacetime is curved and is essentially different from Minkowski space. In vacuum regions (those points of spacetime free of matter), this inability to tilt all the light-cones so that they are all parallel is reflected in the non-vanishing of the Weyl tensor.
Does this reference to the Weyl tensor make sense to people well-versed in GR? The article doesn't cite a source...
 

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