What happens after an electron is excited by a photon?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of electrons when excited by photons, particularly focusing on what occurs after excitation, the mechanisms of energy transfer, and the implications for material transparency and absorption across different wavelengths. The scope includes theoretical considerations, conceptual clarifications, and some experimental implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if an electron is excited by a photon, it may either re-emit the energy as a photon or convert it into heat, potentially exciting other electrons.
  • Others suggest that the absorption of light at specific frequencies is due to the natural width of transitions and Doppler broadening, which allows for a range of energies to be absorbed in certain materials.
  • There is a discussion about how temperature affects the absorption coefficient, with some questioning whether transparency changes at lower temperatures.
  • One participant explains that in metals, delocalized electrons can absorb a wide range of photon energies due to their dense energy levels, while bound electrons are less relevant in this context.
  • Another participant raises a question about how delocalized electrons can be promoted and how excitation leads to heating of the material.
  • There is curiosity about whether all wavelengths can cause heating effects, including high-energy photons like gamma rays.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the mechanisms of energy transfer after electron excitation, the role of temperature in absorption, and the behavior of delocalized electrons in metals. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached on these points.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the behavior of electrons in different materials, the dependence on specific definitions of energy levels, and the unresolved nature of how exactly excitation translates to heating effects.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying solid-state physics, materials science, or anyone curious about the interactions between light and matter at the atomic level.

Voltz
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I understand the concept of an electron being raised from it's ground state by a photon with the correct wavelength, but then what? I ask because if the electron remained in it's excited state then surely shining a bright light on a material for long enough would 'saturate' it's electrons and cause it to become transparent to a given wavelength. But then if the electrons fall from their excited state then surely the energy of the photon, need to be conserved, is re-emitted by the material?

Also if electrons can only absorb wavelengths of light at exact frequencies to promote them then why are the majority of materials opaque to so many frequencies of the visible spectrum?
 
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But then if the electrons fall from their excited state then surely the energy of the photon, need to be conserved, is re-emitted by the material?
This is one option. The other options would be to produce some heat, to excite other electrons and probably something I forgot.

Also if electrons can only absorb wavelengths of light at exact frequencies
They always have a natural width of the transition and a doppler broadening due to their temperature. However, this is not relevant here. If the electron can reach a free band (in metals or semiconductors), you get a full range of possible energies. In other materials, you can have other allowed transitions between energy levels in the material.
 
mfb said:
This is one option. The other options would be to produce some heat, to excite other electrons and probably something I forgot.

What is the mechanism by which the electrons heat up?

mfb said:
They always have a natural width of the transition and a doppler broadening due to their temperature.

Does this mean that transparencies would change at much lower temperatures, e.g. the ground state of electrons at 0K?

mfb said:
In other materials, you can have other allowed transitions between energy levels in the material.

Wouldn't this cause absorptions at specific frequencies such as that exhibited by interstellar gases, I still don't understand how one material can absorb such a wide band of photon wavelengths
 
Not the electrons, the material can heat up, which corresponds to atoms and sometimes electrons moving around.

Does this mean that transparencies would change at much lower temperatures, e.g. the ground state of electrons at 0K?
In some situations, the absorption coefficient for a specific wavelength can depend on the temperature, right.

I still don't understand how one material can absorb such a wide band of photon wavelengths
Let's take a metal, as it is quite easy to understand there:
You have some electrons which are bound to specific atoms, they are not relevant here.
In addition, you have some electrons which are not bound to specific atoms. They are similar to free charges in a very large box, and therefore the allowed energy levels are extremely dense. For every photon in a wide energy range (especially all photons of visible light), every charge can absorb it and go to a higher energy level.
 
mfb said:
Let's take a metal, as it is quite easy to understand there:
You have some electrons which are bound to specific atoms, they are not relevant here.
In addition, you have some electrons which are not bound to specific atoms. They are similar to free charges in a very large box, and therefore the allowed energy levels are extremely dense. For every photon in a wide energy range (especially all photons of visible light), every charge can absorb it and go to a higher energy level.

In the case of a metal if the electrons are delocalized then how can they be promoted?
 
Voltz said:
In the case of a metal if the electrons are delocalized then how can they be promoted?

Delocalized just means that the orbital of the electron isn't around just one atom, but around multiple. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delocalized_electron
 
Ok then, how does the electron cause a heating of the atom through it's excitation? And does this mean that much of light energy falling on a surface is turned into heat or is it just a nominal amount. And can any wavelength cause a heating effect - e.g. a focused gamma ray burst will cause extreme heating?
 

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