What happens in the molecular structure of a liquid (imcompressible)?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of an incompressible liquid, specifically focusing on the molecular structure and energy transformations as the liquid falls from a height. Participants explore the implications of potential energy converting to kinetic energy, temperature changes, and pressure dynamics within the liquid during free fall.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the temperature of the liquid rises as it falls and how this relates to the kinetic energy conversion.
  • Another participant presents a hypothetical scenario involving a glass of milk falling and asks if the temperature changes during the fall.
  • A participant asserts that the temperature at the bottom of the falling liquid may be greater than at the surface, raising questions about the causes of pressure in an incompressible fluid.
  • There is a discussion about the pressure relationship in incompressible fluids, referencing the equation P2 = P1 + γh and the implications of free fall on pressure differences.
  • One participant introduces the concept of static versus total temperature, linking temperature to the average kinetic energy of the liquid's molecules.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the temperature changes and pressure dynamics of the liquid during free fall. There is no consensus on whether the temperature at different points in the liquid changes or how pressure is affected by the falling motion.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the ideal gas equation in relation to incompressible fluids, indicating potential confusion or misapplication of concepts between compressible and incompressible states. The discussion remains open-ended regarding the assumptions made about the behavior of the liquid.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to undergraduate students studying fluid dynamics, thermodynamics, or anyone exploring the properties of incompressible fluids and their behavior under varying conditions.

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Suppose you have a liquid with high potential energy at a height [H] in a first moment. In a second moment, the liquid loses its potential energy (that is converted into kinetic energy) and fall in a cylinder at height [h] .IF the liquid is incompressible what happens with the molecules in the cylinder's base(Does the temperature rises up a little, because of the kinetic energy? How does the pressure rise up, if the liquid is incompressible?I am an undergraduate student and was discussing this problem with my colleague. Something important is missing. (Maybe we are having a problem because it is a liquid, not a gas)

Thanks for your help.
 
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So you have a glass of incompressible milk on the edge of the table and the cat comes and pushed the glass off.
Does the temperature of the milk rise as its falling?
 
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256bits said:
So you have a glass of incompressible milk on the edge of the table and the cat comes and pushed the glass off.
Does the temperature of the milk rise as its falling?

Yes. When the milk falls in the cylinder, will the temperature of the bottom be greater than the surface? What causes the pressure in the bottom given the initial conditions(liquid incompressible)?
 
MagnusChases said:
Yes. When the milk falls in the cylinder, will the temperature of the bottom be greater than the surface? What causes the pressure in the bottom given the initial conditions(liquid incompressible)?
What causes the pressure - the weight of the fluid above.

For an incompressible fluid P2 = P1 + γh = P1 + ρgh
where P2 is the pressure at the depth h, P1 is the pressure at the top, γ is the specific weight and is a constant for incompressible fluids - the density does not change, nor the volume. We also assume g, gravity, is a constant for the difference in elevation.

When the fluid drops, it is in free fall, there is no pressure difference between top and bottom, the density and gamma and volume are the same as the initial condition of right before the fall.

With these assumptions, should the temperature at the bottom and top differ during free fall, from before, or not?

I think what is bothering you is the ideal gas equation. PV = nRT.
If P2 is different from P1, and the volume is constant, then the only other STATE variable that can change is T, thus T2 is different from T1.
I capitalized a hint.

You might find more hints here, between compressible and incompressible fluids.
http://users.metu.edu.tr/csert/me582/ME582 Ch 01.pdf
PS - I won't be back for a quite a few hours, so perhaps someone else will chime into help you out.
 
MagnusChases said:
When the milk falls in the cylinder, will the temperature of the bottom be greater than the surface?
To be clear, we are talking about a glass of un-disturbed milk in free fall in mid-air as it approaches the floor? We are not talking about the milk after the glass has shattered and the milk is still splashing?

The temperature of the milk relates to the average kinetic energy of its component molecules in the frame of reference where there is no net momentum.

Technically, the sort of temperature described above is "static temperature". One can also consider "total temperature" which includes the kinetic energy from the bulk motion of the fluid.
 

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