What Happens to Op-Amp Gain When Switch is On?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of an operational amplifier (Op-Amp) circuit when a switch is toggled. Participants explore the implications of the switch being on or off, particularly focusing on how it affects the gain of the amplifier and the configuration of resistors in the circuit.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the gain of the non-inverting Op-Amp circuit is A = 1 + (R1 + R2)/R3 when the switch is off, questioning the effect of turning the switch on.
  • Another participant corrects the first claim, indicating that only R2 is shorted when the switch is on, leading to a revised gain of A = 1 + (R1)/R3.
  • A third participant points out that the circuit does not function correctly when the switch is open due to a lack of negative feedback, emphasizing the importance of proper circuit diagram conventions.
  • Subsequent posts discuss various conventions for representing connections in circuit diagrams, including the use of junction points, crossover humps, and broken lines.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the circuit's functionality and the conventions used in circuit diagrams. There is no consensus on the implications of the switch's position on the circuit's gain or the correctness of the initial circuit representation.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of circuit diagram conventions, noting that failure to represent connections correctly can lead to misunderstandings about circuit behavior. There are unresolved questions regarding the circuit's operation with the switch in different states.

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Lets say we are given a non-inverting Op-Amp

The gain of this circuit would be A = 1 + (R1+R2)/R3 if the switch is off.

What happens when the switch is turned on? It shorts the R1 and R2 resistors am I correct? Does this mean that R1 and R2 will behave as if they are in parallel, and decrease the overall gain of this amplifier?

Appreciate your help!
 
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As you have drawn it, only R2 is shorted.

So, the gain is A = 1 + (R1)/R3.
 
ah ok, thank you for your help!
 
As the circuit is drawn it doesn't work (in any sensible way) when the switch is open as there is no negative feedback.

Where two wires cross on a circuit diagram you MUST place a "junction point" (filled in dot) if the two wires are connected at that point. Otherwise there is NO connection. This is the standard convention.
 
Another convention is to draw a hump where there is a crossover that doesn't touch.

Yet another is draw a broken line where it passes under another wire.

All three methods are used but I like the solid circle method as it is unambiguous.

In this case, there is apparently a connection at each side of the resistor with the switch across it.
 
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vk6kro said:
Another convention is to draw a hump where there is a crossover that doesn't touch.
Yeah but that is somewhat outdated now. The most common convention (which is used almost universally in circuits and schematic software) is the use of the junction point "dot".

btw UART, where are you in oz? Up very late unless you are in WA?
Yeah I'm just up late.
 

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