What Happens When the Universe is Reduced to the Planck Length?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the hypothetical scenario of the entire universe being reduced in size to the Planck length. Participants explore the implications of such a reduction on physical laws, the behavior of matter, and the perception of changes in the universe.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a reduction in size would lead to noticeable differences, suggesting that classical behavior arises from a large number of interactions rather than size.
  • Another participant humorously suggests that if the universe were reduced in size, it would be akin to a time machine that moves everything uniformly, raising the question of what "reduced in size" means.
  • A later reply clarifies that the reduction is relative to the Planck length, emphasizing that if all lengths change relative to this scale, significant changes would occur.
  • One participant references dimensionless properties and suggests that if these properties change drastically, it would imply a change in the speed of light, while noting that if they remain constant, no difference would be perceived.
  • Some participants reiterate the initial question about the implications of approaching the Planck length and its effects on physical laws.
  • Another participant mentions that this topic has been discussed extensively in the forum, suggesting a search for previous discussions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether a reduction in size would lead to observable differences, with some suggesting that classical behavior would persist while others propose that significant changes could occur depending on dimensionless properties.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the implications of reducing the universe to the Planck length, particularly concerning the nature of physical laws and the perception of changes by observers.

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What would happen if the entire universe would be reduced in size by several orders of magnitude. I mean not just the distances between the galaxies but also the size of every planet, every atom, every nucleus and so on. That also means the strength of all forces would have to become smaller. Would we notice any difference?
The laws of quantum mechanics apply equally on all scales, what causes classical behavior is the large number of interactions and not the size. So no matter how small we make things, objects should still behave classically. But what about the Planck length? What happens if the size of objects approaches that?
Maybe if the universe shrinks in size the effect would essentially be the same as if the speed of light got reduced. At least that's what the equation for the Planck length suggests.
 
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What would happen if the entire universe would be reduced in size by several orders of magnitude. Would we notice any difference?
I invented this time machine. The only drawback is that it moves the entire universe through time by the same amount, so there is no noticeable difference. :rolleyes:

Seriously, reduced in size compared to what?
 
Relative to the Planck length
 
DrZoidberg said:
Relative to the Planck length

although Wikipedia is not always reliable, i might suggest looking at the Wikipedia pages:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_units

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_physical_constant


if all lengths of everything changes relative to the Planck length, then something really changed. the fact that there are about 1025 Planck lengths in the size of an atom is a dimensionless property that we can measure (at least indirectly).

a_0 = \frac{4 \pi \epsilon_0 \hbar^2}{m_e e^2} = \frac{m_\text{P}}{m_e \alpha} l_\text{P}

if that number changed drastically, something would be different. we would think the speed of light has changed. but if no dimensionless property changed, we mortals would not know the difference.
 
DrZoidberg said:
What would happen if the entire universe would be reduced in size by several orders of magnitude. I mean not just the distances between the galaxies but also the size of every planet, every atom, every nucleus and so on. That also means the strength of all forces would have to become smaller. Would we notice any difference?
The laws of quantum mechanics apply equally on all scales, what causes classical behavior is the large number of interactions and not the size. So no matter how small we make things, objects should still behave classically. But what about the Planck length? What happens if the size of objects approaches that?
Maybe if the universe shrinks in size the effect would essentially be the same as if the speed of light got reduced. At least that's what the equation for the Planck length suggests.

This exact topic has been discussed extensively here before. I suggest a forum search.
 

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