What Happens When You Connect Earth and Neutral Wires in a Power Supply?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of connecting the Earth wire to the neutral wire in a computer power supply and the potential dangers of using such a modified power supply with an un-earthed two-pin outlet. Participants explore safety concerns, electrical grounding, and the risks associated with improper wiring.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern that connecting the Earth wire to the neutral wire could eliminate important safety features, particularly if the outlet is wired incorrectly.
  • There is a suggestion that if the hot and neutral wires are reversed, it could lead to a dangerous situation where the computer case becomes live, posing a risk of electric shock to anyone grounded.
  • Some argue that the neutral wire is not floating and is grounded at the service entrance, while others maintain that it can carry current under fault conditions.
  • A participant mentions that using a cheater plug (3 to 2 prong adapter) could be a safer alternative to modifying the power supply.
  • There are discussions about the potential for electric shock if the neutral wire is improperly connected or if there is a break in the neutral wire.
  • One participant shares a personal anecdote about a potentially electrified water tank, illustrating the risks associated with grounding and neutral connections in practical scenarios.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the safety implications of connecting the Earth and neutral wires. There are multiple competing views regarding the risks and technical details of grounding and wiring configurations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the discussion is complicated by variations in wiring practices and the potential for miswired outlets, which could affect safety outcomes. The conversation also touches on historical practices regarding electrical safety.

  • #31
zeitghost said:
For domestic wiring (i.e. not 3 phase) the wire colours are: Brown Live, Blue Neutral, Green/Yellow stripe Earth/Gnd.
Thanks for clearing that up.

zeitghost said:
*(The 3 phase wiring colours have indeed changed in the UK recently, in an effort to maximise danger...).
:smile: But as I pointed out before, I've seen it done wrong far to often to actually trust the colors to be right.
 
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  • #32
In Britain and most countries neutral is the centre point of a 3 phase transformer.,. 120 deg phase between the 3 'lives' which are fed to alternate houses. We had the situation a year ago where we had power but some of the neighbours hadn't. One of the phases was missing.

In the USA and some other countries it is usually to have 2 lives, 180 deg between them entering the house.. Small apliances being connected between one live and neutral 110 V... Large items are connected across the 2 lives = 220 Volts.

The Earth will be connected to the neutral at some point, at the transfomer OR where the supply enters the house and even points in between. Shorting Earth to neutral may cause an RCD (Earth Leakage) breaker to trip out because it no longer senses the same current flowing in the live and neutral.. Some will travel through the Earth wire and by-pass the RCD.
 
  • #33
Just thought id mention that some appliances require earthing for more than one purpose as an example some electronic devices like computers,require an Earth mainly for safety to protect from electric shock and also to dump 'noise' generated by the electronics if you don't properly Earth the computer it may have a harmful potential on any metal surfaces as well as creating interferance and operational issues.
 
  • #34
the phases on the step down transformer are all used and not wasted as you seem to think in domestic supplies 1 phase might do 1 street the others might do another street etc with balanced loading in mind each house on a street might be alternately connected to a phase as you the supply cable is run eg; house (a) phase 1, house (b) phase 2, house (c) phase 3 then back to phase 1 for house (d) etc etc with the center tap of the transformer the common neutral for all the houses.
 

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