What is causing the accelerated expansion of the universe?

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of dark matter and dark energy, particularly focusing on their roles in the accelerated expansion of the universe. Participants explore theoretical implications, observational effects, and the mysterious nature of these phenomena.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that dark matter is an unseen form of matter causing gravitational effects, potentially consisting of undetected subatomic particles.
  • Others argue that dark energy is a mysterious force contributing to the universe's expansion, with some suggesting it acts as a form of anti-gravity on a cosmic scale.
  • A participant mentions that while dark energy seems to push galaxies apart by adding space between them, this explanation has significant limitations and is a heuristic viewpoint.
  • There is a suggestion that the universe's expansion is accelerating, which contradicts expectations that gravity would slow it down, leading to the term "dark energy" being used to describe this phenomenon.
  • One participant emphasizes the uncertainty surrounding the nature of dark energy, comparing the current understanding to primitive interpretations of meteorites.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mysterious nature of dark matter and dark energy, but multiple competing views remain regarding their properties and implications. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the exact mechanisms or definitions involved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on indirect observations and the unresolved nature of the underlying causes of dark matter and dark energy. The discussion reflects ongoing uncertainties in the field.

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What is dark matter?
What are the effects of both dark matter and dark energy?
 
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Nobody knows exactly what they are which is partly why they are called 'dark'.
They both are observed indirectly by their effects but the cause is unknown.
In the case of dark matter something unseen is causing gravatitational effects so it has to be some kind of matter.
It's widely suspected to be some kind of subatomic particle which has so far not been detected.
That is not the only theory, but experimental work is in progress to try to detect such particles.
Dark energy is even more mysterious. Something seems to be causing the Universe to expand,
(although that is in the large scale, individual galaxies are not expanding, but generally galaxies are moving away from each other)
 
rootone said:
Nobody knows exactly what they are which is partly why they are called 'dark'.
They both are observed indirectly by their effects but the cause is unknown.
In the case of dark matter something unseen is causing gravatitational effects so it has to be some kind of matter.
It's widely suspected to be some kind of subatomic particle which has so far not been detected.
That is not the only theory, but experimental work is in progress to try to detect such particles.
Dark energy is even more mysterious. Something seems to be causing the Universe to expand, (although that is in the large scale, individual galaxies are not expanding)
So does dark energy exerts some kind of anti-gravity?
 
You could think of it as a force which works as an opposite to gravity, but only on the very largest scale.
At the scale of stars and planets it is insignificant,
 
Allen_Wolf said:
So does dark energy exerts some kind of anti-gravity?
Not any more-so than magnetic levitation would be anti-gravity. When gravity pulls two objects together, they move through spacetime to get to each other. When dark energy pushes two objects apart, it does so by literally adding more space in between them.
 
newjerseyrunner said:
When gravity pulls two objects together, they move through spacetime to get to each other. When dark energy pushes two objects apart, it does so by literally adding more space in between them.

This is a common heuristic viewpoint, but you should be aware that it has significant limitations. This came up in another thread just now, see here:

Dark energy and expansion vs gravity and spatial contraction
 
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Just to clarify a bit, the universe is expanding and will continue to do so without interference. Observations uncovered the surprising fact that the expansion seems to be accelerating, which was unexpected. We would expect gravity to slow down the expansion instead. We have no idea what is causing the accelerated expansion, but have given it the handle of "dark energy," which sounds more dignified than "spooky expansion pushy stuff." We don't even know if it's energy. We are at the level of a cave man finding a nickel-iron meteorite and thinking it is just another rock.
 
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