What is the best way to combine uncertainties in measurements?

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The original poster presents a problem involving the combination of uncertainties in measurements, specifically seeking to find the best estimate for the mean value and its associated uncertainty based on multiple measurements with given uncertainties.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss methods for calculating the mean and its uncertainty, with some suggesting standard formulas while others question the validity of these methods based on specific examples. The original poster seeks a way to combine different uncertainties effectively.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of how to calculate uncertainties. Some guidance has been offered regarding standard deviation and mean calculations, but there is no consensus on the best approach to combine uncertainties.

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There is a request for literature to support the discussion, indicating a desire for further resources on the topic of error analysis and uncertainty in measurements.

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Homework Statement



Suppose I have N x_{i} measures with a given uncertainty \Delta x_{i}.

I want to have the best estimate for \bar{x} and its uncertainty \bar{\Delta x}


2. Homework Equations /3. The Attempt at a Solution

Well, I'm not exactly sure because or I can have a mean value of x_i and uncertainty given by standard mean and standard deviation/N formulas and I disregard the measurement uncertainties, or I use the (mean of the \Delta x_{i})/N to the uncertainty of \bar{x} and disregard how x_i are close to the mean \bar{x}.

Is there any way of joint both uncertainties together?

Even if you don't explain it in here, can you give me literature where you know where I find it?

Thanks,
littlepig
 
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To find x-bar, you just average the individual measurements; nothing fancy about that. To find the standard deviation of this mean, you divide the standard deviation of each measurement by the square root of N.
 
ideasrule said:
To find x-bar, you just average the individual measurements; nothing fancy about that.

I agree

ideasrule said:
To find the standard deviation of this mean, you divide the standard deviation of each measurement by the square root of N.

I don't agree and I counter example with this:

assume:
Example 1:
x_1=15, delta x_1=0.2
x_2=9, delta x_2=0.1
x_3=3, delta x_3=0.2

Example 2:
x_1=9.2, delta x_1=0.2
x_2=9, delta x_2=0.1
x_3=8.8, delta x_3=0.2

By your method, both mu and sigma are the same for both examples, however, I think we both agree that example 2 should have smaller uncertainty!
 
bump, At least give me a name of a book to search on...xD please...
 
I'm not really sure what you've done in example 1. You do want to look at the standard deviation in the mean, as ideasrule said. If you're confused see if you can find Error Analysis by Taylor.
 

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